Illeagal selling of Elxis

[fraud]

Dear datahell,eliasan,

I'm deeply sorry bothered you but all I mentioned has been happened for mambo, joomla by Mitra group before and  they focus on Elxis now.

There is a question here : If these people claim their efforts are presenting the fabulous capabilities of Elxis among Iranian, why they didn't introduce Elxis in any Iranian popular forums?

So let me tell you all the story happened in Iran .
Elxis intoduced by an Iranian emphatic CMS tester a member of majid online for the first time.
when the members of Mitra team saw the disclosure on Elxis in majidonline they posted a short answer giving bad names to their compatriots instead of a technical answer to prove that Mitra Professional is not the same Elxis. AS Mitra forum started to delete the posts around this fraud.
The topic name is : New Fraud by Mitra team The most read and answered topic ever within a day.
The Open source supporters there started a huge campaign against this new fraud project of Mitra team and supporting GNU/GPL and Elxis as an Open source CMS.
Thats all.

You said: It is like stealing a car, changing it's color and present it as yours, but I say the brush they used to color this stolen car is either a swag.

I believe in the tactics you considered to protect Elxis from such frauds too but some limitations could decrease the speed of development of Elxis and also may discourage the real users of yours.
As you may know these people are not working in a registered legal organization to tarck them, so you can not anticipate a legal procedure agaist them within Iranaian borders. I also believe in Informing proccess among Open Source Community

Reza Faghihi as he mentioned before is a senior member of Mitra team working for Balvardi the head of Mitra farsi who has been disappeard after their unsuccessful fraud project for an IT seminar in tehran last year but it seems that Farhad Sakhaei   involved in this project with no information about the history of other guys working for Mitra.

here you can find the related links, some of them contain your answers in english but most of them has been Written in Farsi language (you may know that majid online is the most papular local forum)


http://www.forum.majidonline.com/showthread.php?p=484471#post484471
http://www.forum.majidonline.com/showthread.php?t=69298&page=9
http://www.forum.majidonline.com/showthread.php?t=69298
http://forum.majidonline.com/showthread.php?t=68729


EXCLUSIVE:

Mitra team has replaced their logo from :
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:3gr9Io9O6_4J:www.mediafestival.ir/administrator/+site:http://www.mediafestival.ir/administrator/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

TO :
http://www.mediafestival.ir/administrator

Regards,
Wish you all the best

[rentasite]

 

[datahell]

www.mediafestival.ir is ELXIS.

It has login screens, tools, Elxis core etc. Someone really fast take the site down but I managed to see it and I have screenshots.

Although they fast took it down it stills says "Hey I am Elxis".
For example it has gemini language files (only elxis has these):

http://www.mediafestival.ir/language/persian/persian.gemini.php

I see that there is a connection between some sites....

[datahell]

First measures taken.

- Farhad removed from Elxis Team and as forum moderator.
- Access to elxis.org (site) was forbitten for Iranians (sorry for all the others).
- Access to Elxis master server was forbitten to certain sites.

Viewing an iranian ip information on DNS stuff:

IP address:                     213.176.xxxxxxx
Reverse DNS:                    [No reverse DNS entry per ns-pri.ripe.net.]
Reverse DNS authenticity:       [Unknown]
ASN:                            15611
ASN Name:                       UNSPECIFIED (Iranian Research Organisation)
IP range connectivity:          4
Registrar (per ASN):            RIPE
Country (per IP registrar):     IR [Iran]
Country Currency:               Unknown
Country IP Range:               213.176.0.0 to 213.176.127.255
Country fraud profile:          High
City (per outside source):      Tehran, Tehran
Country (per outside source):   IR [Iran]
Private (internal) IP?          No
IP address registrar:           whois.ripe.net
Known Proxy?                    No

It is not good for all Iranians to be globally known as frauds. You should try to approve the opposite. I don't like measures taken at all, but accusals are valid. We will think the option to block the whole country from all of our servers (and from this forum also).

[Reza Faghihi]

Reza Faghihi as he mentioned before is a senior member of Mitra team working for Balvardi the head of Mitra farsi who has been disappeard after their unsuccessful fraud project for an IT seminar in tehran last year but it seems that Farhad Sakhaei   involved in this project with no information about the history of other guys working for Mitra.

i attchaed you my profile in mitra persian as you can see my last post was for 20-1-2007 it means i dont have any activity on their forum in the past tree month also  i dont have any relation with their personal or commercial project
and also i dont defend them but i also saw media festival and as you can see in the copyright
they wrote Powered by Mitra - The Professional Open Source CMS as i see they are telling mediafestival is opensource

i ask datahell to check it
and also my problem is that why are you accusing me and farhad if you have problem with mitra tell them do not make me involved

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[Reza Faghihi]

Dear datahell why you are removing farhad this guy even not registered in mitra forum i think this not fair i dont see any connection between him and mitra the only connection was me cause i know mitra admins and when i start to translate persian elxis they mail me some of translated files that farhad later retranslate them and i mentioned navid in translation cause we use some strings from his attached files

[datahell]

And how you explain that your work for Elxis also imported very quickly in Mitra or what ever is named? All these sites are hosted in the same servers. I did a small investigation.

mediafestival.ir is hosted by hostiran.net

elxispersian.com
elxiscms.com
elxislearn.com
Are also hosted by hostiran.

foroshgah.net
Is also hosted by hostiran.

When I first met Farhad (via email) he introduced himself as from hostiran.net

His mail:
"hi
i am farshad from hostiran networks
we need some customizing in elsix . how can i apply?"

Look the attached screenshots.

You are from Iran, you know people there and what they do. Try to solve this issue. We wont search this issue any more. For us some Iranians (whoever they are) have been tricked us and they will be blocked from the Elxis project.

And here is the first part of my answer:
"Elxis has already many features and version 2007 will be even more powerful. You are NOT allowed to modify the Elxis license in any case even if you keep it for your own use. If you break the GNU/GPL license you must be ready to face the consequences of the law (both from Elxis and Mambo).

You can create Elxis fork if you wish only if its license is GNU/GPL. You may not remove Elxis and GO UP copyrights from the headers. Elxis CMS contains copyrighted work mostly created by me. Some features are licensed to me and you are not allowed to use them without my permission. In this case you must completely remove them from your fork even if it is GNU/GPL. ...."

They never asked me for permissions...

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[Reza Faghihi]

When I first met Farhad (via email) he introduced himself as from hostiran.net

His mail:
"hi
i am farshad from hostiran networks
we need some customizing in elsix . how can i apply?"

Look the attached screenshots.

You are from Iran, you know people there and what they do. Try to solve this issue. We wont search this issue any more. For us some Iranians (whoever they are) have been tricked us and they will be blocked from the Elxis project.

if you see here host iran is one the top ten iraninan hosting and also i know its admin MR Farshad not Farhad these are 2 different name in persian
also i buy all my host from host iran beacuse they are most secure and they do not get hacked in past year and also they have good relation with costumers as you can remember  i have problem with installing SMF Bridge and i asked you the reason you said it beacuse your host config when i forward your message they change the server conf for my site and its very valuable for me this kind of support

[eliasan]

Drastic measures I may say.

Creating a deriviative work using an existing Free Open Source Project released under the GNU/GPL, that you offer again under the GNU/GPL, is another case and another case is the derivative work not to follow the GNU/GPL license guidelines but offered as a closed source commercial project.

The first case is totally legal. You can even charge for distribution cost (not sell the product itself. You could sell it, only if it was written totally by you from scratch.). GNU/GPL permits that. All you have to do is release it under the GNU/GPL, keep the code open and accessible, distribute code with the application and let people have access to your project. Let people know from where your project came.

The second case is illegal as it breaks the GNU/GPL. Especially in the case we are talking about, what was odd was that visiting sites, there was not a single word in English. That is very odd for a project that wants to call itself Open Source. How can people help you when they do not understand who you are and what are you asking. Unless, you do not want the project to be open source and try to hide things from public.

I do not believe that all people from Iran involved in this forum had bad intentions.

On the other hand, is too difficult for us to be involved in this situation when we actually do not know with who we are speaking and we cannot monitor discussions in other forums because of language problems.

Participatiing in a forum and helping an Open Source Project is done under the spirit of good will and mutual trust.

If that breaks, then it is a tricky situation.

I am sure that by taking these measures (I wish they will prove to be temporary), we are not fair to some people.

I suggest that you try to clear things between you and let us know how each one of you is related to each other and the iranian project.

Try to identify and isolate people that are responsible for this situation and not put the blame to us.

[Farhad Sakhaei]

dear Ioannis and Ilias and anyone who develop in ELXIS
in all letters and all of my messages and in my profile and in my private messages , i told my name is FARHAD SAKHAEI , not FARSHAD
i didn't have any relation with HOSTIRAN , REZA FAGHIHI , NAVID RAISI , MITRA TEAM , and other people who above mentioned , you can ask them too , you can check it , you can investigation
in begin of my work , i told you i am in portalha group (www.portalha.com)
i told i never use any application or software of MITRA ...
you remove me from moderator and ELXIS TEAM , no problem , i didn't request to be them
you was assign me to these permissions
for me , this is not important that i be a moderator or ELXIS TEAM , for me this is important that i be a proud person in any where!
i think these persons , when saw the home page of ELXIS , and when they see you tell "Farhad Sakhaei and Reza Faghihi and Navid Raisi translated ELXIS to persian" , they thought , i was with them in a group , but you know that i acquaintanced with REZA FAGHIHI in this forum , you can check our first posts , i never see REZA FAGHIHI , and i never see NAVID REISI and nothing of his posts too
yes i retranslate phpnuke , but i was first person who translate phpnuke 8.0 and i was first person who offer phpnuke in 2 true language (english and persian) ,[english in LTR and persian in RTL in different template for both] , yes these subject and other subjects cause that i retranslate phpnuke and phpbb, i never change phpnuke name in my works and many peoples use this cms
and about MODX , i and my friends in MODXCMS translated modx to persian , i translate many language files for the first time , you can check them in the official site (www.modxcms.com) you can ask owner of site, i am a moderator of this site now
in all of these projects , i never be illegal in GNU/GPL
i use webserve company of canada for my hosts too , you can check them (www.portalha.com , www.iranmodx.com)
although using of hostiran company for hosting not a reason for any relation with them...
i told in majidonline forum too , that i haven't any relation with any of above mentioned.
i am so sorry for peoples who make these unconfidence , not for me , for iranians and who want to use this great softwares , you are competitor , please competes in ring and don't make iranians involved and do not reduce credit of iranians
i want developers of ELXIS that please don't ban iranians from this great site , these problems made for these wrong competes of this companies , people of iran play fair
you know that in any where are some confident people and some unconfident ,
then please don't include them in 1 place
Regards,
FARHAD SAKHAEI

[fraud]

Dear eliasan , datahell
Some Useful Clarifications ;
Farshad  (not Farhad Sakhaei) one of the main Co-founders of Mitra team works in Hostiran. This is the why you can find mitra on their host.
As I mentioned before we could not find a proof that Farhad Sakhaei has been involving in this fraud activity but seems he has been used by reza faghihi (the connection of Mitra team and Elxis) and Navid Raiesi .
I will write some critical notes relating the Drastic measures A.S.A.P

[PHPX]

Farhad Sakhaei is also a liar like Reza Faghihi !
They have friendship relation with each other!
They are all frauder !
In persian community we call this team (Mitra) : Stealer and Frauder of OpenSource !!!

[Farhad Sakhaei]

  i said , you can ask them , you can ask any one , you can check , you can investigation
do you know retribution of accusal?
you are free to investigation and check this
but please before any thing , please check !!!!
do you have any perceptives of your accusals about me?
i am so sorry for you

[datahell]

We dont speak farsi and we don't know who is who in Iran. What we know is that Elxis has been stolen and that the users there have been tricked by some frauds. I am very disapointed by this situation. Elxis has been created and still developed by just 2 people, me and eliasan. It initially based on Mambo (4.5.3), a project in which both me and eliasan have also partitipate in the past. Elxis is our child and we love it. We will protect our work at any cost.

We don't care if this fraud made by Farhad, or Farshad, or Reza or anyone else. You are too far and we see you all the same. We see that there is a problem with this country and we need to protect Elxis. I can not understand how you can be hosted on the same servers with the thieves and still say that you don't know them and you don't even know the problem. I can not understand how your translation passed to Mitra in a couple of days. I can not understand how this conversation made mediafestival.ir change logos and copyright notes in seconds after posts in this forum. They think that an htaccess can prevent us see the truth but I have to tell them that I built Elxis and I know it much better than they do.

I propose you Reza and Farhad to locate these thieves and take the nessessary measures against them. Notify Iranians about this situation. Write english notifications in your sites for visitors outside Iran as any Open Source project/site should do.

The restrictions at elxis.org will remain for some time. It is just a warning. I can be much harder.

[theprincy]

Hi I connect me to the discourse, I  have come to knowledge that an Italian firm is realizing a fork of elxis "bringing essential novelty and also some good present solution (opportunely adapted) already in other CMS (what for es. Elxis) ".
How must  behave us?