Elxis CMS Forum
Support => General => Topic started by: fraud on April 13, 2007, 14:42:38
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Dear all,
I'm really sorry to announce that the persian translators of elxis (Farhad Sakhaei, Reza Faghihi and Navid Raiesi ) have been commited fraud in distributing the Elxis open source CMS as an Commercial renamed Mitra Professional (for 3800$) and another fake name Professional Site Builder (for 6100 $).
bellow you can find the persian store they run and represent Elxis as mentioned fake named commercial CMS.
http://www.foroshgah.net/
History:
This team started their unlawful activities by selling Mambo with the fake name of ZANBAGH (for 3200$).They claimed ZANBAGH is an fully persian written and supported Portal. By encountering lots of complaints by customers and lack of claimed support , the ZANBAGH team disappeared for awhile and reorganized them by starting another illegal project named Mitra Farsi.Doing some RTL changes for Joomla templates was the only difference between Joomla! and Mitra Farsi.They Started selling Mitra to private and Governmental organizations (for around 4000$) . The same story , but this time for Mitra Farsi . Intensive complaints by customers , Being hacked times and times and lack of claimed support accured again and again as their last illeagal project Zanbagh.
They Started fixing Mitra Farsi's bugs by presnting Mitra Universal. Their unsuccessful try on Mitra Universal made them looking for something simillar but better functioned.
Please don't bother : They found Elxis at last
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Dear Fraud
Do you even know me boy Huh mitra is opensource cms and mr blavardi is the prjoect developer and i just a forum modrator in mitra i dont have any bussines with mitra team and mitra based on joomla not elxis and about zanbagh its project that do not related to mitra and any other like mr balvardi it mr balvardi just translate it for the company named VCD (virtual content development) and it distrbuted by Abduolahh Abasiyoon not me or farhad
Please understand what are you saying then start just to tell lies think only on moment before saying dozen of words
this is my tel number +989125208474 if you could prove your word that i sell or rename any open source CMS i will change my name to anjelina julie
its very important for me to hear your reply please post your answer beacuse it is not fair to talk about me or farhad when you dont even know us and if really serious about your slef why you dont use the real name here guy please tell us your real name
good luck and have fun
and stop spamming on the forum this behavior of yours show what is your personality
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... if you could prove your word that i sell or rename any open source CMS i will change my name to anjelina julie...
Hi reza,
I are you going to change just the name, or you are going to make the boobs too? ;D
Hey look, don't even bother to answer accusations like the above. It's good marketing after all... ;)
We all respect your work, and who cares about the guy who doesn't even leave a contact....
greets, and have fun
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thanks jazzman
time will proves who is right and if i changed to angelia julie be sure that your the frst person that i will call for and i will also break up with brad ;)
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Great... ;)
Off topic:
I've just noticed that you look very alike my wife's brother... My wife is palestinian, btw.
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me ? ???
i didn't have any relation with mitra until now , even i didn't use their packages and etc >:(
even i didn't meet reza faghihi until now , anybody know me and reza acquainted in this great site , and navid reisi , even i didn't see any post of him in this site , then you say we commited fraud? ???
even i didn't start any web site with ELXIS , if i want to start any site , the fisrt will be a persian cummunity to offer this great system to my peoples and help them with only persian ELXIS name that it will have direct relation with this great site, because without it , i think it will not have any growth 8)
i think reza know gpl/gnu license and how to use it and he doesn't go another way too
then please be careful in your telling of your discussions , and be opening verse
posting your discussions in all forums and together with many post display your bad targets...
if we had any development in ELXIS we had offer them in this site without any dificiency and we offering them now and in future
if we had any target to Fraud with ELXIS , we didn't offer any of them in this site
then please speak fair and with full information ::) 8)
i audit your posts and i want other forum moderators to audit your post , because you play with iranians prestige , iranians play fair but you are not a fair iranian
good luck
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I speak on behalf of the Elxis Core Team.
We know about Mitra and we know that some Iranians (including Farhad) had purposes to build a CMS based on an existing Open Source CMS (Elxis included) inorder to sell it. There was n't a reason to spam the whole forum with this message. We want to give people a chance to participate in Elxis project and learn from it. Elxis can not be stolen because it is in our minds and hearts, not inside the code. I think that they have understand it, and we want all people to participate in the project.
It is not illegal to sell products or services based on Elxis but it is illegal to sell Elxis or any CMS based on Elxis (this also applies for Mambo and Joomla). It must be under the GNU/GPL license. Also Elxis contains some copyrighted features. We legaly protect these features to prevent such actions in order to stay always free. Farhad has been lately added to Elxis Team as a test member. This is a goodwill movement by us. We expect the other part to do the same and till now Farhaz (and Reza) have been proved really genltemen.
Note: If Reza or Farhad or anyone else at any time breaks the GNU/GPL license or (most important for us) the Elxis Team ethical laws he will regret it. If anyone ever try to steal Elxis he better change planet.
For me case is closed.
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Hi
Dear datahell im agree with you and know im leaving in the country that still do not approved copyright Law (IRAN)
It mean if i break any license the government dont care and it is not hard for me to sell elxis But My question is why i should do this and why People like fraud talk about somthing that they do not know
1- im not related in anyway with mitra team im just the memebr of the forum and as i have some experience of writing components for joomla and mambo they offered me 2 write some components for them and i had written about 10 commercial component for joomla till know and non of them was opensource and i do that work for mr balavardi not the mitra team . they asked me to be the forum moderator and tehy made my account moderator in they forum but if you have vistited there i dont post any thing in past 3 month because i dont care about mitra and i dont to talk about that here any more cause i think this could be advertisement for them
2- in past 3 month i have focused on 3 project one of them is elxis and i spend my times to understand its changes and tried to port somecoponent and know im writing some copmonent based on elxis to use on my personal web site www.gnuteams.com
and here is my site you could see that i do not break any law here www.pars-ref.com
3- And about elxis i think that the project all people could love and till know its best solution for Unicode languages like Persian and developers really care about the community thats what i love about elxis .
4- i found who had post this topic he is one the members of mambolearn Community the official persian translators of mambo and they always had problem with mitra and when they saw name of navid here they started to act like this and i really believe that they dont know me and farshad today i talked by phone with farshad for the first time and it seems he also been shocked by this news
5- please do not waste our time and elxis community and developers by this craps try to participate and help to extend community of elxis
6-as i first time saw elxis i really like it and i registered some domains just to participate in the project
www.elxispersian.com
www.elxiscms.com
www.elxislearn.com
mr fraud if you really care about open source tell and if you want i tarnsfer this domains for you to start work on elxis and extend it
at the end i thank John for his patience
and i ask mr fraud act like that cause this is just waste of his time also ours
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Dear datahell,
I wrote that note not to spam but to inform .
You said you know about mitra so why don't you try on their Professional version fakely named Professional Mitra they are selling for 3800$ ?
you mentioned you talk on behalf of the Elxis Core Team, So its easy to find out If I'm right or wrong .
Just Test Mitra Professional you find exactly Elxis but a new Right to Left Template .
I also let you know that the Farsi tarnslated files here for Elxis is a copy of Farsi Formal Mambo Support Site in IRAN with a little changes these guys made.
These guys have such history on re-translating!!!! Nuke, MODX .......
You can find lots of condemnation of this group's (MITRA) illegal activities on the largest & oldest Persian forum (majidonline) http://www.forum.majidonline.com/showthread.php?t=69298&page=8
Although it seems that when Mr Farhad Sakhaei involved in this tragic collaboration had no information about the history of other guys working for Mitra
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hey Mr
i dont see answer to my questions you just post the same thing again mr fraud
and i think you talking about farhad yes he retranslating MODX and Nuke but he dont break any copyright law all of his translations was opensource what are you talking about man
and abou majid online What ??? the forum ADMIN (MAJID) says that you are wrong but you still repeat your mistake this is not good manner and i want to know what are you talking about farhad involved in what ??? and about translation its is not even similar mambo is not multilingual and even dont have admin language we do all translation by our selves and any blind can see the differences i believe that you are have meaning of this words you have benefit to tell such lies and i dont know how ???
please for gods sake do not trash this community like your Persian mambo community this forum is not for saying this kind of crap if you want come on and start to work not destroy im really sorry that you are still cant understand what we are looking for
Regards
Reza Faghihi
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and again i say persian translation is not in any way related to mitra all works done by me and farhad and in the latest language file the navids translations also had been removed
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The Elxis frontend language is 90% similar with Mambo's for compatibility reasons (Elxis 2006.0 dev [alpha] has been based on Mambo 4.5.3), so it is natural to be almost the same. The Elxis backend language or the Elxis XML language (personal work of mine and eliasan) does not exist in any other CMS, so the persian translation is 100% work that Reza and Farhad did just for Elxis (I also know this because I watched the various stages of translation till they complete it). Also note these:
Elxis frontend language: 6 files, 37 KB
Elxis backend language: 36 files, 205KB (totally Reza's and Farhad's translation)
Now, IF Elxis has been used as a base for a non GNU/GPL software package, even if this package is for intranet usage, people they did it they brake the Elxis license. There are ways we can be informed about this. Note also this: even if it is not illegal in Iran it is illegal in Greece, in Europe and the most civilized world and it is a theft. It is like stealing a car, change it's color and present it as yours.
Elxis has many ways to protect it self against these attempts. I list bellow some possible ways and tell me if you want Open Source software to become like this:
- Software locks.
- Blocking whole countries from accessing elxis.org
- Stop publishing Elxis. We have said it again in the past: we dont care if no one ever download Elxis again. We build it mostly for our usage (that's why we create a CMS that we love to use) and we can keep it again private as we did for 10 months till October 2006.
- Notify open source community, gnu.org, open source software foundations and the law about the illegal activity.
- Notify Iranian empasy for the illegal activity .
- Track down and report sites that use stolen software. (It is very easy for us to understand if a site is Elxis or based on Elxis. Elxis has many unique features).
- Notify ISP providers and domain hosters for these sites.
- Make these sites life hard.
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I ask anyone that has proofs, and he can justify what he is saying with facts (in a language we can understand), to send them to us.
Otherwise, this whole discussion cannot stand.
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I ask anyone that has proofs, and he can justify what he is saying with facts (in a language we can understand), to send them to us.
Otherwise, this whole discussion cannot stand.
Dear datahell & eliasan
This site is one of the illegal use of elxis as Mitra Enterprise !!!
=> http://www.mediafestival.ir
Look at this: www.mediafestival.ir/administrator
since last night in this page we could read this:
Mitra Enterprise Edition
and now .. they change it to this:
MediaFestival Administrator
Powered by MediaFestival !!!!
they abhored : ) )
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Dear datahell & eliasan
Look at this: www.mediafestival.ir/administrator
& now look at google cache :
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:3gr9Io9O6_4J:www.mediafestival.ir/administrator/+site:http://www.mediafestival.ir/administrator/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
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Dear datahell,eliasan,
I'm deeply sorry bothered you but all I mentioned has been happened for mambo, joomla by Mitra group before and they focus on Elxis now.
There is a question here : If these people claim their efforts are presenting the fabulous capabilities of Elxis among Iranian, why they didn't introduce Elxis in any Iranian popular forums?
So let me tell you all the story happened in Iran .
Elxis intoduced by an Iranian emphatic CMS tester a member of majid online for the first time.
when the members of Mitra team saw the disclosure on Elxis in majidonline they posted a short answer giving bad names to their compatriots instead of a technical answer to prove that Mitra Professional is not the same Elxis. AS Mitra forum started to delete the posts around this fraud.
The topic name is : New Fraud by Mitra team The most read and answered topic ever within a day.
The Open source supporters there started a huge campaign against this new fraud project of Mitra team and supporting GNU/GPL and Elxis as an Open source CMS.
Thats all.
You said: It is like stealing a car, changing it's color and present it as yours, but I say the brush they used to color this stolen car is either a swag.
I believe in the tactics you considered to protect Elxis from such frauds too but some limitations could decrease the speed of development of Elxis and also may discourage the real users of yours.
As you may know these people are not working in a registered legal organization to tarck them, so you can not anticipate a legal procedure agaist them within Iranaian borders. I also believe in Informing proccess among Open Source Community
Reza Faghihi as he mentioned before is a senior member of Mitra team working for Balvardi the head of Mitra farsi who has been disappeard after their unsuccessful fraud project for an IT seminar in tehran last year but it seems that Farhad Sakhaei involved in this project with no information about the history of other guys working for Mitra.
here you can find the related links, some of them contain your answers in english but most of them has been Written in Farsi language (you may know that majid online is the most papular local forum)
http://www.forum.majidonline.com/showthread.php?p=484471#post484471
http://www.forum.majidonline.com/showthread.php?t=69298&page=9
http://www.forum.majidonline.com/showthread.php?t=69298
http://forum.majidonline.com/showthread.php?t=68729
EXCLUSIVE:
Mitra team has replaced their logo from :
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:3gr9Io9O6_4J:www.mediafestival.ir/administrator/+site:http://www.mediafestival.ir/administrator/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
TO :
http://www.mediafestival.ir/administrator
Regards,
Wish you all the best
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:o :o :o
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www.mediafestival.ir is ELXIS.
It has login screens, tools, Elxis core etc. Someone really fast take the site down but I managed to see it and I have screenshots.
Although they fast took it down it stills says "Hey I am Elxis".
For example it has gemini language files (only elxis has these):
http://www.mediafestival.ir/language/persian/persian.gemini.php
I see that there is a connection between some sites....
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First measures taken.
- Farhad removed from Elxis Team and as forum moderator.
- Access to elxis.org (site) was forbitten for Iranians (sorry for all the others).
- Access to Elxis master server was forbitten to certain sites.
Viewing an iranian ip information on DNS stuff:
IP address: 213.176.xxxxxxx
Reverse DNS: [No reverse DNS entry per ns-pri.ripe.net.]
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Unknown]
ASN: 15611
ASN Name: UNSPECIFIED (Iranian Research Organisation)
IP range connectivity: 4
Registrar (per ASN): RIPE
Country (per IP registrar): IR [Iran]
Country Currency: Unknown
Country IP Range: 213.176.0.0 to 213.176.127.255
Country fraud profile: High
City (per outside source): Tehran, Tehran
Country (per outside source): IR [Iran]
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: whois.ripe.net
Known Proxy? No
It is not good for all Iranians to be globally known as frauds. You should try to approve the opposite. I don't like measures taken at all, but accusals are valid. We will think the option to block the whole country from all of our servers (and from this forum also).
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Reza Faghihi as he mentioned before is a senior member of Mitra team working for Balvardi the head of Mitra farsi who has been disappeard after their unsuccessful fraud project for an IT seminar in tehran last year but it seems that Farhad Sakhaei involved in this project with no information about the history of other guys working for Mitra.
i attchaed you my profile in mitra persian as you can see my last post was for 20-1-2007 it means i dont have any activity on their forum in the past tree month also i dont have any relation with their personal or commercial project
and also i dont defend them but i also saw media festival and as you can see in the copyright
they wrote Powered by Mitra - The Professional Open Source CMS as i see they are telling mediafestival is opensource
i ask datahell to check it
and also my problem is that why are you accusing me and farhad if you have problem with mitra tell them do not make me involved
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Dear datahell why you are removing farhad this guy even not registered in mitra forum i think this not fair i dont see any connection between him and mitra the only connection was me cause i know mitra admins and when i start to translate persian elxis they mail me some of translated files that farhad later retranslate them and i mentioned navid in translation cause we use some strings from his attached files
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And how you explain that your work for Elxis also imported very quickly in Mitra or what ever is named? All these sites are hosted in the same servers. I did a small investigation.
mediafestival.ir is hosted by hostiran.net
elxispersian.com
elxiscms.com
elxislearn.com
Are also hosted by hostiran.
foroshgah.net
Is also hosted by hostiran.
When I first met Farhad (via email) he introduced himself as from hostiran.net
His mail:
"hi
i am farshad from hostiran networks
we need some customizing in elsix . how can i apply?"
Look the attached screenshots.
You are from Iran, you know people there and what they do. Try to solve this issue. We wont search this issue any more. For us some Iranians (whoever they are) have been tricked us and they will be blocked from the Elxis project.
And here is the first part of my answer:
"Elxis has already many features and version 2007 will be even more powerful. You are NOT allowed to modify the Elxis license in any case even if you keep it for your own use. If you break the GNU/GPL license you must be ready to face the consequences of the law (both from Elxis and Mambo).
You can create Elxis fork if you wish only if its license is GNU/GPL. You may not remove Elxis and GO UP copyrights from the headers. Elxis CMS contains copyrighted work mostly created by me. Some features are licensed to me and you are not allowed to use them without my permission. In this case you must completely remove them from your fork even if it is GNU/GPL. ...."
They never asked me for permissions...
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When I first met Farhad (via email) he introduced himself as from hostiran.net
His mail:
"hi
i am farshad from hostiran networks
we need some customizing in elsix . how can i apply?"
Look the attached screenshots.
You are from Iran, you know people there and what they do. Try to solve this issue. We wont search this issue any more. For us some Iranians (whoever they are) have been tricked us and they will be blocked from the Elxis project.
if you see here host iran is one the top ten iraninan hosting and also i know its admin MR Farshad not Farhad these are 2 different name in persian
also i buy all my host from host iran beacuse they are most secure and they do not get hacked in past year and also they have good relation with costumers as you can remember i have problem with installing SMF Bridge and i asked you the reason you said it beacuse your host config when i forward your message they change the server conf for my site and its very valuable for me this kind of support
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Drastic measures I may say.
Creating a deriviative work using an existing Free Open Source Project released under the GNU/GPL, that you offer again under the GNU/GPL, is another case and another case is the derivative work not to follow the GNU/GPL license guidelines but offered as a closed source commercial project.
The first case is totally legal. You can even charge for distribution cost (not sell the product itself. You could sell it, only if it was written totally by you from scratch.). GNU/GPL permits that. All you have to do is release it under the GNU/GPL, keep the code open and accessible, distribute code with the application and let people have access to your project. Let people know from where your project came.
The second case is illegal as it breaks the GNU/GPL. Especially in the case we are talking about, what was odd was that visiting sites, there was not a single word in English. That is very odd for a project that wants to call itself Open Source. How can people help you when they do not understand who you are and what are you asking. Unless, you do not want the project to be open source and try to hide things from public.
I do not believe that all people from Iran involved in this forum had bad intentions.
On the other hand, is too difficult for us to be involved in this situation when we actually do not know with who we are speaking and we cannot monitor discussions in other forums because of language problems.
Participatiing in a forum and helping an Open Source Project is done under the spirit of good will and mutual trust.
If that breaks, then it is a tricky situation.
I am sure that by taking these measures (I wish they will prove to be temporary), we are not fair to some people.
I suggest that you try to clear things between you and let us know how each one of you is related to each other and the iranian project.
Try to identify and isolate people that are responsible for this situation and not put the blame to us.
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dear Ioannis and Ilias and anyone who develop in ELXIS
in all letters and all of my messages and in my profile and in my private messages , i told my name is FARHAD SAKHAEI , not FARSHAD
i didn't have any relation with HOSTIRAN , REZA FAGHIHI , NAVID RAISI , MITRA TEAM , and other people who above mentioned , you can ask them too , you can check it , you can investigation
in begin of my work , i told you i am in portalha group (www.portalha.com)
i told i never use any application or software of MITRA ...
you remove me from moderator and ELXIS TEAM , no problem , i didn't request to be them
you was assign me to these permissions
for me , this is not important that i be a moderator or ELXIS TEAM , for me this is important that i be a proud person in any where!
i think these persons , when saw the home page of ELXIS , and when they see you tell "Farhad Sakhaei and Reza Faghihi and Navid Raisi translated ELXIS to persian" , they thought , i was with them in a group , but you know that i acquaintanced with REZA FAGHIHI in this forum , you can check our first posts , i never see REZA FAGHIHI , and i never see NAVID REISI and nothing of his posts too
yes i retranslate phpnuke , but i was first person who translate phpnuke 8.0 and i was first person who offer phpnuke in 2 true language (english and persian) ,[english in LTR and persian in RTL in different template for both] , yes these subject and other subjects cause that i retranslate phpnuke and phpbb, i never change phpnuke name in my works and many peoples use this cms
and about MODX , i and my friends in MODXCMS translated modx to persian , i translate many language files for the first time , you can check them in the official site (www.modxcms.com) you can ask owner of site, i am a moderator of this site now
in all of these projects , i never be illegal in GNU/GPL
i use webserve company of canada for my hosts too , you can check them (www.portalha.com , www.iranmodx.com)
although using of hostiran company for hosting not a reason for any relation with them...
i told in majidonline forum too , that i haven't any relation with any of above mentioned.
i am so sorry for peoples who make these unconfidence , not for me , for iranians and who want to use this great softwares , you are competitor , please competes in ring and don't make iranians involved and do not reduce credit of iranians
i want developers of ELXIS that please don't ban iranians from this great site , these problems made for these wrong competes of this companies , people of iran play fair
you know that in any where are some confident people and some unconfident ,
then please don't include them in 1 place
Regards,
FARHAD SAKHAEI
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Dear eliasan , datahell
Some Useful Clarifications ;
Farshad (not Farhad Sakhaei) one of the main Co-founders of Mitra team works in Hostiran. This is the why you can find mitra on their host.
As I mentioned before we could not find a proof that Farhad Sakhaei has been involving in this fraud activity but seems he has been used by reza faghihi (the connection of Mitra team and Elxis) and Navid Raiesi .
I will write some critical notes relating the Drastic measures A.S.A.P
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Farhad Sakhaei is also a liar like Reza Faghihi !
They have friendship relation with each other!
They are all frauder !
In persian community we call this team (Mitra) : Stealer and Frauder of OpenSource !!!
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??? i said , you can ask them , you can ask any one , you can check , you can investigation
do you know retribution of accusal?
you are free to investigation and check this
but please before any thing , please check !!!!
do you have any perceptives of your accusals about me?
i am so sorry for you
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We dont speak farsi and we don't know who is who in Iran. What we know is that Elxis has been stolen and that the users there have been tricked by some frauds. I am very disapointed by this situation. Elxis has been created and still developed by just 2 people, me and eliasan. It initially based on Mambo (4.5.3), a project in which both me and eliasan have also partitipate in the past. Elxis is our child and we love it. We will protect our work at any cost.
We don't care if this fraud made by Farhad, or Farshad, or Reza or anyone else. You are too far and we see you all the same. We see that there is a problem with this country and we need to protect Elxis. I can not understand how you can be hosted on the same servers with the thieves and still say that you don't know them and you don't even know the problem. I can not understand how your translation passed to Mitra in a couple of days. I can not understand how this conversation made mediafestival.ir change logos and copyright notes in seconds after posts in this forum. They think that an htaccess can prevent us see the truth but I have to tell them that I built Elxis and I know it much better than they do.
I propose you Reza and Farhad to locate these thieves and take the nessessary measures against them. Notify Iranians about this situation. Write english notifications in your sites for visitors outside Iran as any Open Source project/site should do.
The restrictions at elxis.org will remain for some time. It is just a warning. I can be much harder.
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Hi I connect me to the discourse, I have come to knowledge that an Italian firm is realizing a fork of elxis "bringing essential novelty and also some good present solution (opportunely adapted) already in other CMS (what for es. Elxis) ".
How must behave us?
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Due to such idiots, that do not respect ours and yours free and hard work open source can be ended. We (GO UP) do not have any problem unpublishing Elxis (as it was unpublished till october 2006) if they do not respect the license, you will have. So, it is in yours hands to hunt these people down.
I ask you:
Do you want Elxis to be unpublished?
Do you want to publish a limited edition while the full edition will stay only in our possession?
Do you want to remove advanced features from Elxis?
Do you want all new features to be commercial addons?
I create now an advanced SEO mechanism. Do you want this mechanism included in Elxis or as an encrypted commercial addon?
Do you want to add product validation and encrypted parts into Elxis?
Do you want to be able to download Elxis for free without registration or subscription?
Do you want Elxis 2007 to be published?
I must admit that we are thinking these days of creating 2 versions for Elxis, a limited public one and a full featured private one only for our use. Do not force us to do this. Do not also force us to add lock mechanisms inside Elxis 2007+!
Note: Dispite if we finally publish the Elxis next version or not, Elxis 2007+ will be very hard to be stolen as it will be a very-very-very unique CMS. We have implement in it, things that simple do not exist anywhere. They will have to study it for a year to understand how it works and till then we will have publish a new version! :o
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Do not also force us to add lock mechanisms inside Elxis 2007+!
Do so...
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I know him/it how it feels it to see "stolen" his own job, purtroppoal person in matter does him for habit/custom .
if you will want to act for by legal against this person I can furnish where you the data and email it speaks of his of elxis.
Do you want Elxis to be unpublished?
NO
Do you want to publish a limited edition while the full edition will stay only in our possession?
NO
Do you want to remove advanced features from Elxis?
NO
Do you want all new features to be commercial addons?
NO
I create now an advanced SEO mechanism. Do you want this mechanism included in Elxis or as an encrypted commercial addon?
NO
Do you want to add product validation and encrypted parts into Elxis?
NO
Do you want to be able to download Elxis for free without registration or subscription?
NO and YES
Do you want Elxis 2007 to be published?
YES :) ;D
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Hi all,
1. I always say Elxis needs to have more local communities (Italy, France, Spain...). In that case, the thiefs could be easily put to the wall of shame, wich would cost them more then just legal punishment (money).
2. You should expose the url here, so everyone can see who did it, and do what he can to act against him.
3. If WE, the users of Elxis, don't accept our little share of responsability... well, everyting is uselless.
Example: Someone buys you a beer, then again, and again... if you don't offer to buy him one round, he will evetually stop doing it (and you'll be out of beer ;)).
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http://forum.mambo-foundation.org/showthread.php?t=5492&highlight=elxis
"Stiamo anche valutando l'idea di creare un nostro fork tutto italiano che riunisca le migliori caratteristiche di Mambo ed Elxis che a differenza delle versioni 4.6.x non soffra dei problemi di incompatibilità verso i componenti più vecchi ma anche questo dipende dal tempo che ci resterà a disposizione a causa degli impegni presi con CMSaccessibile"
" We are also appraising the idea to create one fork of ours all Italian that gathers the best characteristics of Mambo and Elxis that unlike the versions 4.6.x don't suffer from the problems of incompatibility toward the oldest components but also this has been depending for the time that it will stay us to disposition because of the appointments taken with CMSaccessibile "
http://groups.google.it/group/mamboitalia/browse_thread/thread/57e0781b33bf5899?hl=it
"Invece, il fork a cui mi riferivo è - ovviamente - un CMS GRATUITO che verrà rilasciato come al solito sotto licenza GNU/GPL e che intende:
- raccogliere l'eredità di Mambo (serie 4.5.x) apportando novità essenziali ed anche qualche buona soluzione (opportunamente adattata) già presente in altri CMS (quali ad esempio Elxis)"
google translat
"Instead, the fork to which I reported me is - obviously - a CMS Gratuito that you/he/she will be released as usual under license Gnu / GPL and that it intends:
- to pick up the inheritance of Mambo (series 4.5.x) bringing essential novelty and also some good present solution (opportunely adapted) already in other CMS (what for instance Elxis) "
the person is Giorgio Nordo www.equal.it
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Sorry to dissapoint you all, including myself, but remember that GNU/GPL allows forking if they keep reference to the original author and they release the fork again under the GNU/GPL license.
GNU/GPL was first introduced in 1984, inside the academic community. In an era that Internet, as we know it today, was not yet invented...
So the problem is not if they do it or not.
The problem is that GNU/GPL software in 2007, is been used in ways and for purposes not predicted. In 2007 it is used for business and by business. It is used for profit.**
Don't go far.
Count yourselfs. How many of you are using Elxis for doing business and how many for academic purposes?
So they, and perhaps others in the future will try to achieve a better placement in their market by having their own CMS.
My advice, business speaking, is don't do it. You have more to gain by using a GNU/GPL tool, than by developing, supporting and promoting your GNU/GPL tool.
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**This is not a complete analysis of the current conflict between GNU/GPL license spirit and the real world. It is just a tiny scratch on the surface.