SEO title - link language multilingual - auto expand menus

[ahmet]

hello..
You and Elxis team have done a great job.. Thank you..
I admire....

I had different contents for different languages...
That was  also one of my reasons to use blogspot ..

and forexample i want to move this website http://puretourism.co.uk/  to elxis..
How will i keep the same links... I dont wanna use .htaaccess (rewrite engine)

[datahell]

Put 301 redirects (moved permanetely) in your htaccess and google will be just fine.

[webgift]

Everything have been analyzed a lot till the final release, guys.

[maple]

Hi Datahell,

First of all, I want to say that you have been doing a very, very good job with Elxis 4. Personally I think that it’s very impressive. Fast, secure and easy going control panel.

Ok. About Elxis SEO Title - Link Multilingual issue:

Let me show an example. If you click the following link, searching on google “marketing newbie step by step guide” http://bit.ly/XZXU1H you can look in the first position. This phrase it’s show in the title, but also in the URL in bold. This means that the content of this URL has been also indexed by Google in English language in this case. In my experience, the URL sum a little to improve the position in search results.

So, in case that the URLs are not so important for search engines:

1 – If doesn’t matter, and URLs are not important, you can put Elxis 4  SEO Title – Link in Multilingual mode and you and everybody will be happy.

2 – You say that now the URLs are mostly human friendly and readable. Well, let me show an example:

If I have a site for my customers in 3 languages (countries): English, Spanish and Greek. English language it’s by default. In Spain no many people speak English. For these people, these URLs in English are no human friendly neither easily readable, because don’t understand absolutely nothing. The same for the Grecian people.

So, what I want to say is that if you put URLs human friendly and readable, you need to put this in all languages, or in the other side,  in none, so, you can put numbers and illogical characters for the visitor because it’s not so important. No need readable URLs at all.

3 – When I send URLs to my customers in these different countries, I like to send links directly to the specific pages in his own languages. These URLs are readable for them. I put these middle-long URLs in the emails, pdf’s, classic papers and dossiers.

There many others reason, but basically, this is enough.

hreflang it's a good idea.

Datahell I only disagree with SEO title - link multilingual (perhaps also need to upgrade the CKEditor). The rest are perfect for me. I like a lot Elxis 4.

Congrats!

[datahell]

A human friendly link can be this: example.com/tititi/
"tititi" is nice to remember and to type, it doesn't have to mean something.
Most people put wrong SEO titles, or just use the automatic generated one. They even put wrong titles.

Let's say you have an article in Greek with title: "Αυτό το καλοκαίρι επιλέξτε για τις διακοπές σας την Ρώμη" (Select Rome for your vacations this summer)
Which are the important words in this title? καλοκαίρι (summer), διακοπές (vacations), Ρώμη (Rome).

A long seo title could be: "rome-summer-vacations"
A shorter one: "rome-vacations"

Take a look on the word we mostly focus on: Rome. This is an international name.
That SEO title is good for any language. It would be better if it was "romi-diakopes" for the Greek language and "Rome-vacations" for the English but it is not so important.

Alternate links with hreflang is our final reply to those having thoughts about the Elxis URLs naming on multilingual sites.
Take a look on the attached screenshot which shows this implementation on the upcoming Elxis 4.1 (CSS/JS minifier resulted URLs are also shown).

[maple]

Datahell,

I bet that you're smiling under your nose. You know that try to find international words it's a very restrictive way and almost impossible in some categories or sectors (some business, hobbies, industries and so on...).

And, in your example: You say that a long seo title could be: "rome-summer-vacations" or "rome vacations", doesn't matter, these are examples like I told before that here in Spain too many people don't understand nothing in English. This is not human friendly neither readable for them. The same if I put Spanish by default > problem for english people and so on...

Also remember, SEO means Search Engine Optimization, google robots also index the URL and display them in bold in the search result pages for the searched words, as I show you in the example before “marketing newbie step by step guide” http://bit.ly/XZXU1H

I agree with you that the URL no need to be too long, perhaps from 1 to 4 words.

Wow, Elxis 4.1 version seems to have very interesting new features. I want to congrats you for the hreflang work and the CSS/JS minifier. Very good job!

Thanks

[maple]

Hi,

I guess that people are very interested in this subject/topic.

Looking number of views I can see that is ranked at top 5 position 

Here you're an screenshot ordered by Views.

Thanks

[maple]

A human friendly link can be this: example.com/tititi/
"tititi" is nice to remember and to type, it doesn't have to mean something.
Most people put wrong SEO titles, or just use the automatic generated one. They even put wrong titles.

Let's say you have an article in Greek with title: "Αυτό το καλοκαίρι επιλέξτε για τις διακοπές σας την Ρώμη" (Select Rome for your vacations this summer)
Which are the important words in this title? καλοκαίρι (summer), διακοπές (vacations), Ρώμη (Rome).

A long seo title could be: "rome-summer-vacations"
A shorter one: "rome-vacations"

Take a look on the word we mostly focus on: Rome. This is an international name.
That SEO title is good for any language. It would be better if it was "romi-diakopes" for the Greek language and "Rome-vacations" for the English but it is not so important.

Alternate links with hreflang is our final reply to those having thoughts about the Elxis URLs naming on multilingual sites.
Take a look on the attached screenshot which shows this implementation on the upcoming Elxis 4.1 (CSS/JS minifier resulted URLs are also shown).

Hey, it seems that alternate-hreflang don't work in some cases (Language selector link), for example with the configuration in the screenshot attached (hreflang.png).
Pherhaps, in Language selector link we can do:

Code: [Select]

<a rel="alternate" hreflang="en" href="http://www.yourdomain.com/en/" title="en">english</a>

Code: [Select]

<a rel="alternate" hreflang="es" href="http://www.yourdomain.com/en/" title="es">spanish</a>
and so on...

Another issue, the screenshot coded one, posted by you in a previous post, neither see it in Elxis 4.1. (elxis_alternate_langlinks.jpg)

By the way, I don't see any "canonical" code, for exemple, I'm not sure if the following is correct:

If hreflang has been implemented in the URLs, then the rel = "canonical" should point to the same page.

See here: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/rel-confused-answers-to-your-rel-canonical-questions

So, for example, the pages www.domain.com/products and www.domain.es/uk/products go to the United States and England, but have the same content, so they should be marking implement rel = "alternate" hreflang.

On page directed to English and United States would define the rel = "canonical" along with rel = "alternate" hreflang as follows:
<link rel=”alternate” hreflang=”en-US” href=”http://www.domain.com/products” />
<link rel=”alternate” hreflang=”en-UK” href=”http://www.domain.com/uk/products” />
<link rel=”canonical” href=”http://www.domain.com/products” />
 
On page directed to English and England would define the rel = "canonical" along with rel = "alternate" hreflang as follows:
<link rel=”alternate” hreflang=”en-UK” href=”http://www.domain.com/uk/products” />
<link rel=”alternate” hreflang=”en-US” href=”http://www.domain.com/products” />
<link rel=”canonical” href=”http://www.domain.com/uk/products” />

At first sight, it seems that Google in the FAQs on internationalization advised not to use the rel = "canonical".

If in the above example we have the same title in the version for U.S. and England did not need to use the rel = "canonical", only in the event that the titles are different and we want to display the correct title on the results of search.

Oficial google internationalisation: https://sites.google.com/site/webmasterhelpforum/en/faq-internationalisation

[webgift]

Please avoid writing the same message twice.
Can you please mention us in which cases the hreflang attribute don't work?

[maple]

Please avoid writing the same message twice.
Can you please mention us in which cases the hreflang attribute don't work?

I just updated the post before. Thanks

[datahell]

So, you say to add both alternate and canonical for the main language? Like that:

<link rel="alternate" hreflang="it" href="http://www.example.com/it/test/" />
<link rel="alternate" hreflang="el" href="http://www.example.com/el/test/" />
<link rel="alternate" hreflang="en" href="http://www.example.com/test/" />
<link rel="canonical" href="http://www.example.com/test/" />

[maple]

So, you say to add both alternate and canonical for the main language? Like that:

<link rel="alternate" hreflang="it" href="http://www.example.com/it/test/" />
<link rel="alternate" hreflang="el" href="http://www.example.com/el/test/" />
<link rel="alternate" hreflang="en" href="http://www.example.com/test/" />
<link rel="canonical" href="http://www.example.com/test/" />

Yes. A canonical page is the preferred version of a set of pages with highly similar content. But, if you want, you can investigate this. I think that works correctly.

The alternate-hreflang also need to be present for possible future xml sitemap implementation in the Elxis 4

The other issue, need to add the hreflang in the Language selector link in the example that I told before.

[maple]

Hi,

why hreflang-alternate are not activated for all menu links?

thanks

[datahell]

It doesn't have to do with the menu links. It is an Elxis Document feature and available for ALL pages (except some very special cases). Which is the page you don't see the hreflang links?

[maple]

It doesn't have to do with the menu links. It is an Elxis Document feature and available for ALL pages (except some very special cases). Which is the page you don't see the hreflang links?

Hi datahell,

Now, I don't see the hreflang in any page. Can you explain exactly how this works? At first sight, it seems that only display hreflang in an especific module mod_language setting, and that's all (In my settings -screenshot  attached before-, hreflang doesn't work).

Info: searching "hreflang" with grepwin, display two files with 1 matches each; document.class.php (line 333) and mod_language.php (line 117).