Translators needed for Elxis 2008 installer

[Ivan Trebješanin]

Thank you richard!

[ricard]

Any time! 

[xos]

Mr. datahell,

... (you have a lack of faith to Elxis CMS).

This remark by you is not accurate, unprofessional and really uncalled for in public. If you have an issue with my decision please use the private channels. Thank you.

My team was going to do the translation, however as I said before in this quote:

Hello all,
 
Spanish translation, however:

Is the 2008 version available so I can test it, language-wise. This is because there are some words in Spanish that cannot be literally translated so I need to see the entire sentence or paragraph in order to choose the proper translation.

I never even got a reply to this.

When you release 2008, we will look at it. We will do some testing on it and see what happens. Asking for collaboration in a totally untested (public wise) script is not how we do work. Testing only by you and your devs is not enough, you need to realease it into the masses. That's where your script really shows what it's worth. But hey! You should already know this.

[Ivan Trebješanin]

xos, my friend

Don't get offended... I have no intention to speak on datahells behalf, but you should understand things better. I'll take my example to illustrate my point of vew.
I work TOTALY ALONE on translations to serbian, and, believe me, I face the exactly the same problems you are. Sure, I would like to have Elxis 2008 installed and test my translation, but it is not the way Elxis Team operates. Imagine, as an exaple, translation of Help System wich have 100 pages and keeping track of translations (there could be many) you used in Elxis frontend or backend, but you have a team at least. I go with Elxis because I have chosen it from the number of other solutions. This is because I believe in it's future, and I go with the flow. I believe that's what datahell had in mind. But he will explain himself. If you trust, you trust fully. You can always create Elxis local support site and publish latest translations on it, fix mistakes based on comments of your members and Elxis users.

Best regards,
Ivan

[datahell]

For reasons we have said many times we can not give elxis source to anyone right now. You will do the same thing if you were in our position. So you have to work this way. In a month or two after 2008.0 release we will have the first elxis update (2008.1) inorder language and other minor importance issues to be fixed if needed. Sorry if I was a little offensive but I think your answer was against us and all those that support Elxis 2008 without having taken nothing back till now.

We know how other open source projects work, we have participated in some of them in the past. We know about beta testing and the proper way of development. I understand that you have to have elxis 2008 itself inorder to make a good translation. I would ask the same if I were you. We would like to follow an other way but we can not. So we need your help under these circumstances, if you dont like this it's ok. No one is forced to help. Elxis community members have extended information on the 2008 version and parts of Elxis source code. For example the whole Elxis installer has been send to some of them. Elxis installer is not like mambo's or joomla's it is something totally different. ricard has taklen a large part of Elxis administration in the past. Other users have taken the new media component etc. But no one has the whole Elxis. Elxis 2008 SVN version is 32mb and changes daily. I can not just e-mail it to you, you need access to Elxis SVN. How many projects you know that give access to their source repositories to unknown people?

Regarding the source code quality: The quality of Elxis 2008 is the best possible under the circumstances that we work. You most probably know that Elxis has been based on Mambo. We have totally re-written the whole source code making it more secure and compact but we can not change everything from scratch for compatibility reasons. For example we would like to make the front-end's language object oriented like backend's language. We have already make some thoughts for the 2010 version totally diferrent from the mambo's logic.

Regarding bugs: Elxis 2006.x and 2008.x installer have one "bug". They need mysql 4.1+ and safe mode off. Elxis does not work under safe mode and in old mysql versions. So, there was a certain point in elxis 2006.x installation procedure that installer may fail. But if you paid attention to the Elxis specifications you would know that before reaching this point. So specifications are now bugs? Which are the bugs you are talking about?  Oh, yes there are some minor importance issues that fixed in 2008 but they are no important. For example we have make a lot of changes in bots and speed improvement but this does not prohibites you to use 2006.4.

I read something in your forum and I would like to answer here: We have never deleted an article. We say our opinion in public and we dont take anything back. There is no need to make backup posts! This is not Joomla!

[newart]

Dear Datahell, following your last reply to the guest nicknamed xos:

"There is no need to make backup posts! This is not Joomla!"

>>I'm active in the Joomla community and now I'm here for discovering E2008 as I like to explore new CMSs and above all for the common brothership among Mambo/Joomla/Elxis... I don't understand what you mean but I'm sure it is a simple word game joking.

"For reasons we have said many times we can not give elxis source to anyone right now."

>> IMHO I think that the spanish guy is a clever honest one as he's right about how doing the best work and you know, as everybody, a good work is faster than a re-work... or simply that sometimes a not-perfect work - sometimes - remains a never-ending work-to-do but you have considered the pros and cons and in this case you have to do it. Considering your posts It's the right behaviour.

"We have already made some thoughts for the 2010 version totally different from the mambo's logic."

>> Mambo 2010 will be under "Cake-PHP logic" and certainly will be very different from any older Mambo's versions.

Stop. I'd like to tell you that in these days I'm deeping better into Elxis projet and I'd like to espress to you and your team my sincerely compliments!
Exited for the newcoming E2008,
bye

[datahell]

Returning to the main subject:
I would like to thank Kestas for translating Elxis installer into Lithuanian.
Till now Elxis installer has been translated into 17 languages!

Thank you very much all of you.
You are worthly of congratulations!

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[datahell]

Returning to our talk.
To newart: When I say diferrent than the mambo's logic I don't mean the framework (i.e. CakePHP)  this is how you finally do something. I mean the idea behind all these. Examples: We don't like the menu system and the Itemid's (the base of the page appearence on an Itemid generates oftently bad layout). We don't like the search method and the bots (today you have no global control over the search procedure, you can not for example limit the total results or order them based on their similarity etc). We don't like the seperate logins in front-end and backend. We would also like to reduce the number of parameters and make extensions setup more easy. These are only a few of the areas that most probably will change in Elxis 2010.

[newart]

Your ideas are a good start for the project evolution! Most of them are mine too...

[SEXAR]

i am indonesian may be my friend can continue to translate. how to

[Amigamerlin]

you apologize for the delay 

First of all thanks for the italian translation !
Hi just installed the italian version and I've spot that there are some little sintax error in the translation; The major is in the Button "AVENTI" that should be "AVANTI"  .

theprincy, please can you fix it ?

Italiano

Ciao innanzitutto grazie per la traduzione in italiano.
Installando ELXIS 2008 mi sono accorto che ci sono dei piccoli errori di distrazione nella traduzione; il più appariscente è il bottone "Avanti" della fase di installazione che recita "AVENTI".
Se posso permettermi un consiglio rileggi i testi con l'installer davanti. 
In ogni caso gran bel lavoro. Grazie di nuovo per il tuo impegno.
Ciao 

[theprincy]

you apologize for the delay 

First of all thanks for the italian translation !
Hi just installed the italian version and I've spot that there are some little sintax error in the translation; The major is in the Button "AVENTI" that should be "AVANTI"  .

theprincy, please can you fix it ?

Italiano

Ciao innanzitutto grazie per la traduzione in italiano.
Installando ELXIS 2008 mi sono accorto che ci sono dei piccoli errori di distrazione nella traduzione; il più appariscente è il bottone "Avanti" della fase di installazione che recita "AVENTI".
Se posso permettermi un consiglio rileggi i testi con l'installer davanti. 
In ogni caso gran bel lavoro. Grazie di nuovo per il tuo impegno.
Ciao 

Non c'è solo quel errore ... ed è strano visto che nella versione 2006.4 non c'è ...  intanto oggi verrà rilasciata la traduzione dell'amministrazione

[JACXTER]

indonesia started

[Bobotoh]

Indonesian: Done and Sent.

[SEXAR]

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