SEO title - link language multilingual - auto expand menus

[maple]

SEO title - link language: It seem that I can't see the way to make Menu Elxis link and SEO title - link in diferent languages. This is very important to translate the url's for SEO tactics. I can change the title selecting the dropdown menu language, but can't translate the SEO title - link.

Auto Expand Menu: How it works?

Thanks a lot

[datahell]

SEO TITLE
I strongly disagree. SEO link is mostly a "human link". Today robots dont care about it much. It is a long discussion in which I can not get into now. Most people use wrong the seo links (for instance they create too long seo links). My recommendation is to enter the SEO title in the site's default language (romanized) and dont care about the rest languages.

AUTO EXPAND MENUS
This is not how Elxis 4.x works, it is much smarter...
With the "expand" option Elxis generates on the fly the sub-menu items, you don't have to create them!

Example
You have category Sports and sub-categories: Football, Basketball, Volleyball. Create a menu item poinint to category "Sports" and enable expand on this menu item. Elxis will automatically expand this menu item -on the fly- creating links (sub-menu items) to the sub-categories. Please wait the official documentation for more.

[maple]

Datahell:

SEO links - title - multilingual:
Oh... I have some websites with a good url keywords translations that get best positioning in google than others without translations. SEO link it's very important, not only for me. In my case, bring me very good results.

Also it's important because when I give a link to a customer or in other ways, this customer can read correctly the url link in his own language.
Also I put the url link into an email or in a paper dossier to send by post and country to a customer.
And also it's very important when I use SEO links into the Google Adwords ads by country.

Elxis it's a multilingual site. Everything works in this way, but not the urls, a very visible part. This is not coherent (logical) for google robots (the first thing that read in each page) neither for other ways that I said in the paragraph before. Even for a sitemap by country, very important for google positioning.

So, I really need a solution to implement a multinlingual SEO link.

ps: I can see that elxis.org webite use SEO link multilingual, in greek and english.


Auto Expands menu: I can see now that works correctly. Thanks a lot.

Thank you very much.

[datahell]

Don't compare Elxis 2009.x with Elxis 4.x, they work different.
Elxis 2009.x -> Assign articles to one or more languages.
Elxis 4.x  -> The article is written in the default language, you can add translations for the rest languages.

I cannot analyse here "why this works this way and that the other way". I need to write a book to document my answer. You have your opinion, I have mine. As I said I will not get into details, I will only say that you need to look things deeper and don't forget that we are in 2012, not in 1990. Try Elxis 4.x and if you get bad SEO rankings here I am to judge me.

[maple]

Datahell:

I'm testing now Elxis 4. The SEO ranking need to be by country. I have my own real experience and results. Also, If you see my post before you can see that I'm not only reference about SEO, also other things.

Could you confirm please that you'll not make any change in the near future about SEO link multilingual?
Without SEO link multilingual, Elxis 4 is not for me. This hurt me a lot, because Elxis 4 it's an awesome CMS.

thanks

[datahell]

No, it is not in our plans to create multilingual seo titles as it is better this way. Just 2 ideas:
- Search engines dont need it.
- If you do it you will end up with duplicated content (different urls for the same article) which is very bad for SEO.

[maple]

datahell:

Thanks for your response.

i do the ranking by country. Google don't interpret the same text but diferent language as a duplicate content if we do it well with markups. Not penalize. I use for example the Geographic Target tool in Google webmaster tools and it's necessary use some multilingual markup like

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<meta http-equiv="content-language" content="en" /> or

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www.mysite.com/en  -  www.mysite.com/de or

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rel=canonical or

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rel-alternate-hreflangseparate all content by country.

There some other markups, you can see for example here:

See official google guidelines - multilanguage markup - duplicate content:
http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66359  see Use top-level domains and the rest.
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com.es/2008/08/how-to-start-multilingual-site.html - see content organization
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com.es/2011/12/new-markup-for-multilingual-content.html

Also from official google support:
Duplicate content in international sites
"Websites that provide content for different regions and in different languages sometimes create content that is the same or similar but available on different URLs. This is generally not a problem as long as the content is for different users in different countries."

Other:
http://www.seoconsult.com/seoblog/international-seo/how-to-avoid-duplicate-content-across-international-websites.html - Seo Consult
http://www.webbroi.com/blog/multilingual-duplicate-content-plus-new-markup-for-seo.html

Anyway, in case that url SEO do nothing in searh engines, I insist that there are other issues that I just explained before concerning why I'd like to have multilingual links.


Thanks a lot.

[datahell]

i do the ranking by country...

The magic word is You, and you do it correctly and fine. Thumbs up for you.
BUT (an other magic word) 99.99% (too magic) of the users will just create duplicated content because they simply don't add translations in all languages...

[maple]

datahell:

hahah, ok, take off the "i do the ranking by country...". Hey, I just wrote more things...

Not all languages at all, I need do this max in two or three languages only.

Datahell, I just wrote before about duplicate content and multilingual sites solutions from official google...

Perhaps making this change in Elxis it take to much work? If it's possible to change this with not to much code i can do it myself if you brings me the code. 

Sorry for my insistence

thanks

[maple]

Hi...
 
any response? solution? Anyone have an idea?

thanks

[ahmet]

i am having the same issue also....
i may try a multisite... creat a subdomain..
mysite is in turkish forexample  www.ayakkabi.com 
i want to add an english content www.ayakkabi.com/mykeyword
i didnt try it yet...
but thats i am thinking at the moment..
i hope this helps.
pls let us know the last situation..

[wbread]

No, it is not in our plans to create multilingual seo titles as it is better this way. Just 2 ideas:
- Search engines dont need it.
- If you do it you will end up with duplicated content (different urls for the same article) which is very bad for SEO.

this is not a duplicate, especially for bots. A duplicate only for the owner, others see a completely different text and keywords, the only thing that could be more common this image.

now all contetnt on almost 1 link, it's more like a duplicate

http://exampl.com/en/services/hosting/hosting-x1.html
http://exampl.com/service/hosting/hosting-x1.html

[maple]

I think that Elxis 4 need a system to choose if the user want a SEO Title - Link Multinlingual system or not. I'm sure that Elxis 4 are loosing users for this issue. In my opinion, it's necessary to put both ways, and let the user select what they want to activate. I only use Elxis 4 for non-multilingual sites. I respect the datahell opinion, but not convice me at all, and I'm strongly in the opposite, due my own experience and results. If anyone want a SEO Title - Link Multilingual there're others CMS system that can do it.

[ahmet]

unfortunately,
i used blogspot for turkey.bodrumwindsurf.com
i love nautilus, but i also would go with old elxis for multilingual websites.

[datahell]

You are wrong. The URLs are not so important, you must only be careful not to be double, and they are not as the language prefix is there to distinguish them nicely. It is also easy for the user to switch language and stay on the same page. We have investigate such things 2 years before. The Elxis 4.x URLs system is just perfect. The URIs system for Elxis 4.x is one of the best things I have think and developed in my life. I am proud for the way it solves a very difficult problem. If you think you can think of a better system write down all the issues you have to solve and propose me a better system. I am sure you will not be aware of many things. You have a very limited knowledge on the subject. This is why you say continuously wrong things.

For multilingual sites google recommends 3 solutions:
1. Separate TLD based sites (this means multiple sites, so it doesn't fit our requirements)
or
2. Sub-domain separated sites/URLs (this means multiple sites, or the need of multiple virtual hosts on the web server, so it doesn't fit our requirements)
or
3. Sub-directory separated URLs (this is what Elxis does)

Elxis 4.x URLs allows you to have geotargeting on google and many other cool ways.
Read this:
http://www.searchenginejournal.com/multilingual-seo/19903/
this:
http://www.seoinc.com/seo-blog/multilingual-google-search-engine-optimization/
and many other articles on the net saying the same thing. Elxis URLs follow the recommendations.

More over Elxis 4.1 comes with hreflang alternate URLs. Meaning that you say to google that you have copies of the page you currently view in other languages too.

Conclusion
URLs are not so important for search engines any more (they were before 10 years), they are mostly human friendly. Search engines dont even need the URLs to be easily readable. They just have to be different for each language, what the difference will be has no importance. Elxis has the recommended structure and URLs for multilingual sites.