Happy norooz

[Reza Faghihi]

فرا رسیدن سال نو و عید نوروز به همه تبریک می گم و امیدوارم سال خوبی داشته باشید

[Farhad Sakhaei]

رضا جان سلام
امروز اومده بودم این تاپیک رو بزنم
مثل اینکه پیشی گرفتی
سال نو رو به همه تبریک می گم
امیدوارم سالی پر از موفقیت و سلامتی و خوشحالی برای همه باشه
 

Happy New Year : * 1386 *

[datahell]

Sorry, for my unknowledgement but please explain to us all western people. You celebrate the new year eve? And the year is 1386, starting from the Gregorian year 621? what happened in 621 (or your 0 year)? 

[Reza Faghihi]

in 621 prophet Mohammad start a trip fro mekka to medina city to start new islamic government and after that Moslem's based that start of new date cause they think its new age of history after persian people accept islam also persians based their starting year on prophets trip if they dont do that now Persian date should be something around year 3000 

History of calendars in Persia

Throughout recorded history, Persians have been keen on the idea and importance of having a calendar. They were among the first cultures to use a solar calendar, and have long favored a solar over lunar and lunisolar approaches. The Sun was always a symbol in Iranian culture.

Ancient calendars

Old Persian inscriptions and tablets indicate that early Iranians used a 360-day calendar based on the Babylonian system and modified for their beliefs and named days. Months had two or three divisions depending on the phase of the moon. Twelve months of 30 days were named for festivals or activities of the pastoral year. A 13th month was added every six years to keep the calendar synchronized with the seasons.

 Zoroastrian calendar

The first calendars based on Zoroastrian cosmology appeared in the later Achaemenian period (650 to 330 BCE). They evolved over the centuries, but month names changed little until now.

The unified Achaemenian empire required a distinctive Iranian calendar, and one was devised in Egyptian tradition, with 12 months of 30 days, each dedicated to a yazata (Eyzad), and four divisions resembling the Semitic week. Four days per month were dedicated to Ahura Mazda and seven were named after the six Amesha Spentas. Thirteen days were named after Fire, Water, Sun, Moon, Tiri and Geush Urvan (the soul of all animals), Mithra, Sraosha (Soroush, yazata of prayer), Rashnu (the Judge), Fravashi, Bahram (yazata of victory), Raman (Ramesh meaning peace), and Vata, the divinity of the wind. Three were dedicated to the female divinities, Daena (yazata of religion and personified conscious), Ashi (yazata of fortune) and Arshtat (justice). The remaining four were dedicated to Asman (lord of sky or Heaven), Zam (earth), Manthra Spenta (the Bounteous Sacred Word) and Anaghra Raocha (the 'Endless Light' of paradise).

The calendar had a significant impact on religious observance. It fixed the pantheon of major divinities, and also ensured that their names were uttered often, since at every Zoroastrian act of worship the yazatas of both day and month were invoked. It also clarified the pattern of festivities; for example, Mitrakanna or Mehregan was celebrated on Mithra day of Mithra month, and the Tiri festival (Tiragan) was celebrated on Tiri day of the Tiri month.

After the conquests by Alexander the Great and his death, the Persian territories fell to one of his generals, Seleucus (312 BCE), starting the Seleucid dynasty of Iran. Based on the Greek tradition, Seuclids introduced the practice of dating by era rather than by the reign of individual kings. Their era became known as that of Alexander, or later the Seleucid era. Since the new rulers were not Zoroastrians, Zoroastrian priests lost their function at the royal courts, and so resented the Seleucids. Although they began dating by eras, they established their own era of Zoroaster.

That was the first serious attempt to determine the dates associated with the prophet Zoroaster's life. Priests had no Zoroastrian historical sources, and so turned to Babylonian archives famous in the ancient world. From these they learned that a great event in Persian history took place 228 years before the era of Alexander. In fact, this was the conquest of Babylon by Cyrus the Great in 539 BCE. But the priests misinterpreted this date to be the time the "true faith" was revealed to their prophet, and since Avestan literature indicates that revelation happened when Zoroaster was 30 years old, 568 BCE was taken as his year of birth. The date entered written records as the beginning of the era of Zoroaster, and indeed, the Persian Empire. This incorrect date is still mentioned in many current encyclopedias as Zoroaster’s birth date.

Modifications by Parthians, Ardashir I, Hormizd I, Yazdgerd III

The Parthians (Arsacid dynasty) adopted the same calendar system with minor modifications, and dated their era from 248 BCE, the date they succeeded the Seleucids. Their names for the months and days are Parthian equivalents of the Avestan ones used previously, differing slightly from the Middle Persian names used by the Sassanians. For example in Achaemenian times the modern Persian month ‘Day’ was called Dadvah (Creator), in Parthian it was Datush and the Sassanians named it Dadv/Dai (Dadar in Pahlavi).

In 224 CE, Ardashir I, founder of the Sassanid dynasty, added five days at the end of the year, and named them ‘Gatha’ or ‘Gah’ days after the ancient Zoroastrian hymns of the same name. This was a modification of the 365-day calendar adopted by Julius Caesar in 46 BCE, based on the Egyptian solar calendar. Iranians had known about the Egyptian system for centuries but never used it. The new system created confusion and met resistance. Many rites were practiced over many days to make sure no holy days were missed. To this day many Zoroastrian feasts have two dates.

To simplify the situation, Ardeshir’s grandson, Hormizd I, linked the new and old holy days into continual six-day feasts. No Ruz was an exception, as the first and the sixth day of the month were celebrated separately, and the sixth became more significant as Zoroasters’ birthday. But the reform did not solve all the problems, and Yazdgerd III, the last ruler, introduced the final changes. The year 631 was chosen as the beginning of a new era, and this last imperial Persian calendar is known as the Yazdgerdi calendar.

 Islamic calendar

But before the Yazdgerdi calendar was completed, Muslim Arabs overthrew the dynasty in the 7th century and established the Islamic calendar, a lunar calendar. It was outlined in the prophet Muhammad's revelation, the Qu'ran, and in his last sermon during his farewell pilgrimage to Mecca. It was the same as the old pagan Meccan calendar except that the intercalary month was eliminated, effective at the end of AH 10 (March 632 CE). Umar, the second caliph, began numbering years in AH 17 (638 CE), regarding the first year as the year of Muhammad's Hijra (emmigration) from Mecca to Medina, in September 622 CE. The first day of the year continued to be the first day of Muharram. Years of the Islamic calendar are designated AH from the Latin Anno Hegirae (in the year of the Hijra). The Islamic lunar calendar was widely used until the end of the 19th century.

 Modern calendar

The Iranian calendar was revised in the 11th century by a panel of scientists, allegedly including Omar Khayyám. The recalibration was completed during the reign of Jalaal ad-Din Malik Shah Seljuki, one of the Seljuk sultans, and named in his honor.

On February 21, 1911, the second Persian parliament tried to mandate government use of the solar years and months. The present Iranian calendar was legally adopted on March 31, 1925, the early Pahlavi dynasty. The law said that the first day of the year should be the first day of spring in "the true solar year", "as it has been" (کماکان). It also fixed the number of days in each month, which previously varied by year with the tropical zodiac. It revived the ancient Persian names, which are still used. It specified the origin on the calendar (Hegira of Muhammad from Mecca to Medina in 622 CE). It also deprecated the 12-year cycles of the Chinese-Uighur calendar which were unofficially but commonly used.

Afghanistan legally adopted this calendar in 1957 with different month names. Afghan Persian language (also known as Dari) uses the Arabic language names of the zodiac signs; these names were also used in Iran before 1925. Afghan Pashto language uses the Pashto names of the zodiac signs.

 Details

The Iranian calendar year begins at the start of Spring in the northern hemisphere: on the midnight between the two consecutive solar noons which include the instant of the Northern spring equinox, when the sun enters the northern hemisphere. If between two consecutive noons the sun's altitude rises through its equinoctial altitude, then the first noon is on the last day of one calendar year and the second noon is on the first day (Norouz) of the next year.

The calendar has 12 months with Persian names; the first six months have 31 days, the next five 30 days, and the last month has 29 days or 30 days in leap years. The reason the first six months have 31 days and the rest 30 has to do with the fact that the sun moves slightly more slowly along ecliptic in the northern spring and summer than in the northern autumn and winter. Before the modern calendar was adopted in 1925 (1304 AP), the length of the months were different each year, and a month could have 32 days. For example, in the year 1303 AP, the months had respectively 30, 31, 32, 31, 32, 30, 31, 30, 29, 30, 29, and 30 days, but in 1302 AP 30, 31, 32, 31, 31, 31, 31, 29, 30, 29, 30, and 30 days.

Solar calendar systems typically use leap years, usually every four years by adding 0.25 day to each year. This is a slight overcompensation of the Sun's the actual behavior. Instead, the Persian calendar produces a five-year leap year interval after about every seven four-year leap year intervals. It usually follows a 33-year cycle with occasional interruptions by single 29-year or 37-year subcycles. By contrast, less accurate predictive algorithms are based on confusion between the astronomers average tropical year (365.2422 days, approximated with near 128-year cycles or 2820-year great cycles) and the mean interval between spring equinoxes (365.2424 days, approximated with a near 33-year cycle).

[datahell]

That was very illuminate! As long as we opened this kind of conversation I have also an other question.

In Greece, at least, we have the thought that todays Iranians do not have many relations with the ancient Persians. This is mostly because of the Islam. Does today Iranians feel like descedants of the ancient Persians? Of course this question can also be asked to a Greek. During the ages pass, christianity tried to eliminate our ancient roots with violence and lies. Many today Greeks believe that, and there is a return to our ancient roots. Christianity demolished the ancient temples and build churches in their position in order for the "deamons" to go away. Many churches in Greece have an ancient template beneath them. I personaly believe (and many others) that christianity is something alien to the Greek way of life. What is the situation in Iran? I dont think that Islam is "compatible" to the ancient Persian empire habbits.

[Farhad Sakhaei]

thanx john for your attention to these matters
we like you (greeks) believe our genuineness , it is in our blood and we cann't loose them

[Reza Faghihi]

islam and persians  Greece and Christians  i think they are very different and    some how im agree with you but not 100 %
as you know ancient Persian And Greek civilisations are the 2 most important at their time and they also have some problems and wars against each other but no one can deny the other civilization as you know ancient persia was known for its powerfull governments and mostly for culture of its people for example the highest crime in persia is just telling the lie this is the thing people do this days the just tell lies very easly and greece mostly known for its documented culture its philosophy and democratic way of governments i personally think we both should be proud to be from one of this great cultures about islam and persia Irans is the only muslim country that do not loose its culture after Arabs invasion every where they go they force people to think like arabs to honor them    use their language and also their culture but Iranians Use islam as new philosophy and extend it by using their culture and also help from greeks philosophy the islamic philosophy especially shia's use Plato and Aristotle philosophy and they study it cause every new culture always has influnce from the cultures that was before it
and iranians has the most influences o n Islam and things are very different in iran from the other Islamic countries for example like Saudi Arabia  and mostly westeren people dont make difference between iraninans and arabs i dont know Why beacuse we have just Hand writing and islam in common in many other ways we look different    About churches and temples know days still we have Zoroastrianism in iran and they can have their temple and i have many Zoroastrianism friends but i dont think people still worship Zeus in Greece but and im agree with you because christians basicly is the Estern Religion and it comes from middle east like islam or jewish they are from another culture nor persian or Greece and they have destroyed many think in both side
about compatiblity its like joomla 1.5 components when you want to install it one mambo 4.6 you have to work  and Iranian people still like their ancient roots i dont speak about islamic government of iran normal  people  still have the dream of great persia in teir heads the time of glory for them also i think greece people think like us
i personaly very intersed in history and phlosophy and i studied about greece before Specially Athens culture cause spartans culture is mostly about war .
greec has guy like Socrates who was the man of freedom
sorry my English is not enough  complete to talk about this stuff and i scared that it made the misunderstand so i finish it here
it is also very important for me that you care about this stuff this is one the things i like about elxis and its community because here the core team really participate with users and its very great and wish you Happy new Persian Year  

[datahell]

These are the most important things in life, not Elxis. Or if you like, Elxis symbolizes for us some important things but Elxis itself is just a software.

....but i dont think people still worship Zeus in Greece...

Oh! You are making a mistake here! I can post here hundreds of URLs, but just see this (multi-lingual): http://www.ysee.gr

[Farhad Sakhaei]

happy new aryan year: 7029
happy new zoroastrian year: 3745
happy new imperial year: 2566
happy new solar year: 1386

with best wishes and best bests and health and happy