Template Builder future -and congrats!

[naspor]

You have to consider that "appearence in front end" of a site created with Elxis CMS, plays a key role in the promotion of the job you are doing.
I dont know to create templates and the book "ΠΩΣ ΝΑ ΦΤΙΑΞΕΤΕ TEMPLATE ΓΙΑ ΤΟ ELXIS CMS" was not helpful for me.

I have tried to create templates with ARTISTEER, an impressing software for newbies like me.
Unfortunatelly they don't have ELXIS CMS as an option.

I wrote to Artisteer team, asking for such an option:

Posted: 6/9/2010 

I'm one of those who I'm lucking the knowledge and the skill of creating templates. I tried Artisteer and found your product to be really really useful and helpful for me, but I need an import/export option for the Elxis CMS I’m using.

ELXIS CMS (https://www.elxis.org/) is a really good mambo advanced clone, under GNU. It is really powerful and a promising alternative to joomla. It appeared in 2006 and became the favorite option for a lot of people. Would you consider an Elxis Template import/export option in your software with your next upgrade?

Thank you

If you go for a "template builder" early, you will rocket your CMS up and up!. 

Please consider that 

[datahell]

If it has the option to export in Joomla 1.0.x format it will be very close to the elxis standards. You will only need to make small changes/additions afterwards.

My personal opinion is there is no tool that can replace a developer...

[naspor]

My personal opinion is there is no tool that can replace a developer...

You are right (!), and developers must live..., but you must see Artisteer and you will understand me!
(http://www.artisteer.com/?p=joomla_templates)

[datahell]

This is not the issue, developers live or die. I know artisteer, all these tools are great but they are limited. They can only become great if you have by yourself developer/designer skills to modify the code they produce. But in this case you dont need artisteer...

When I first started developing things with php, I used dreamweaver. It was great for a newbie like me but after some time I was able to fully understand the source code it generated and I saw how bad it was (sorry macromedia guys). It also limited the things I could do. I released that you can do much more with PHP. Artisteer is the dreamweaver for templates. You can do many things but up to a limit. I can understand the sites that are built with such tools in seconds. Anyone who is able to see some things more than a normal viewer can understand this. The way a developer writes code is not the same as any machine.

[naspor]

I agree with you, but you have to understand that, for someone like me with a quite different job orientation (I'm thoracic surgeon) I'll never be able to have your Knowledge in that domain.
Though I have done a considerable advancement since my first attempt to ceate a website, I always look for a method to make my life easier and keep me in touch with a new object , which I have to understand and explore at my free time, becoming better and better...

That's the way things go for most users...

[datahell]

I understand, I told you that at first dreamweaver was fine for me. So, artisteer will be fine for the majority of elxis users although I personally prefer people to learn html/css instead of using just an interface.

[naspor]

"Siga siga ginetai h aggourida meli" 
Attract people with interesting things (like template builder), grow up the users' community and increase possibilities to find some people to share your burden pal.

[ks-net]

 naspor .. i totally agree with you...
this the way to attract people... but it is not our target...  this is  what commercials  will do... fancy staff etc...

we are not disagree with you ..

but this not our first target... be sure that in future you will see staff like that!

we prefer to build  secure.. stable... widely applicable .. easy to manage  these  our 1st aim!

a theme-builder is not as flexible and stable and good-to-use  as you think ..  just to mention that 99.999999% of themes build with such tools are xhmtl invalid... at least!
not even dreamweaver is that good as you think.. if you trust it and not clean the code... you get what you deserve!

[rentasite]

I agree with you, but you have to understand that, for someone like me with a quite different job orientation (I'm thoracic surgeon) I'll never be able to have your Knowledge in that domain.

As we can not do a surgery