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Support => Elxis 4.x/5.x DEV => Topic started by: maple on October 05, 2012, 13:32:26
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SEO title - link language: It seem that I can't see the way to make Menu Elxis link and SEO title - link in diferent languages. This is very important to translate the url's for SEO tactics. I can change the title selecting the dropdown menu language, but can't translate the SEO title - link.
Auto Expand Menu: How it works?
Thanks a lot
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SEO TITLE
I strongly disagree. SEO link is mostly a "human link". Today robots dont care about it much. It is a long discussion in which I can not get into now. Most people use wrong the seo links (for instance they create too long seo links). My recommendation is to enter the SEO title in the site's default language (romanized) and dont care about the rest languages.
AUTO EXPAND MENUS
This is not how Elxis 4.x works, it is much smarter...
With the "expand" option Elxis generates on the fly the sub-menu items, you don't have to create them!
Example
You have category Sports and sub-categories: Football, Basketball, Volleyball. Create a menu item poinint to category "Sports" and enable expand on this menu item. Elxis will automatically expand this menu item -on the fly- creating links (sub-menu items) to the sub-categories. Please wait the official documentation for more.
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Datahell:
SEO links - title - multilingual:
Oh... I have some websites with a good url keywords translations that get best positioning in google than others without translations. SEO link it's very important, not only for me. In my case, bring me very good results.
Also it's important because when I give a link to a customer or in other ways, this customer can read correctly the url link in his own language.
Also I put the url link into an email or in a paper dossier to send by post and country to a customer.
And also it's very important when I use SEO links into the Google Adwords ads by country.
Elxis it's a multilingual site. Everything works in this way, but not the urls, a very visible part. This is not coherent (logical) for google robots (the first thing that read in each page) neither for other ways that I said in the paragraph before. Even for a sitemap by country, very important for google positioning.
So, I really need a solution to implement a multinlingual SEO link.
ps: I can see that elxis.org webite use SEO link multilingual, in greek and english.
Auto Expands menu: I can see now that works correctly. Thanks a lot.
Thank you very much.
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Don't compare Elxis 2009.x with Elxis 4.x, they work different.
Elxis 2009.x -> Assign articles to one or more languages.
Elxis 4.x -> The article is written in the default language, you can add translations for the rest languages.
I cannot analyse here "why this works this way and that the other way". I need to write a book to document my answer. You have your opinion, I have mine. As I said I will not get into details, I will only say that you need to look things deeper and don't forget that we are in 2012, not in 1990. Try Elxis 4.x and if you get bad SEO rankings here I am to judge me.
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Datahell:
I'm testing now Elxis 4. The SEO ranking need to be by country. I have my own real experience and results. Also, If you see my post before you can see that I'm not only reference about SEO, also other things.
Could you confirm please that you'll not make any change in the near future about SEO link multilingual?
Without SEO link multilingual, Elxis 4 is not for me. This hurt me a lot, because Elxis 4 it's an awesome CMS.
thanks
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No, it is not in our plans to create multilingual seo titles as it is better this way. Just 2 ideas:
- Search engines dont need it.
- If you do it you will end up with duplicated content (different urls for the same article) which is very bad for SEO.
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datahell:
Thanks for your response.
i do the ranking by country. Google don't interpret the same text but diferent language as a duplicate content if we do it well with markups. Not penalize. I use for example the Geographic Target tool in Google webmaster tools and it's necessary use some multilingual markup like <meta http-equiv="content-language" content="en" /> or www.mysite.com/en - www.mysite.com/de or rel=canonical or rel-alternate-hreflangseparate all content by country.
There some other markups, you can see for example here:
See official google guidelines - multilanguage markup - duplicate content:
http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66359 (http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66359) see Use top-level domains and the rest.
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com.es/2008/08/how-to-start-multilingual-site.html (http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com.es/2008/08/how-to-start-multilingual-site.html) - see content organization
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com.es/2011/12/new-markup-for-multilingual-content.html (http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com.es/2011/12/new-markup-for-multilingual-content.html)
Also from official google support:
Duplicate content in international sites
"Websites that provide content for different regions and in different languages sometimes create content that is the same or similar but available on different URLs. This is generally not a problem as long as the content is for different users in different countries."
Other:
http://www.seoconsult.com/seoblog/international-seo/how-to-avoid-duplicate-content-across-international-websites.html (http://www.seoconsult.com/seoblog/international-seo/how-to-avoid-duplicate-content-across-international-websites.html) - Seo Consult
http://www.webbroi.com/blog/multilingual-duplicate-content-plus-new-markup-for-seo.html (http://www.webbroi.com/blog/multilingual-duplicate-content-plus-new-markup-for-seo.html)
Anyway, in case that url SEO do nothing in searh engines, I insist that there are other issues that I just explained before concerning why I'd like to have multilingual links.
Thanks a lot.
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i do the ranking by country...
The magic word is You, and you do it correctly and fine. Thumbs up for you.
BUT (an other magic word) 99.99% (too magic) of the users will just create duplicated content because they simply don't add translations in all languages...
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datahell:
hahah, ok, take off the "i do the ranking by country...". Hey, I just wrote more things...
Not all languages at all, I need do this max in two or three languages only.
Datahell, I just wrote before about duplicate content and multilingual sites solutions from official google...
Perhaps making this change in Elxis it take to much work? If it's possible to change this with not to much code i can do it myself if you brings me the code. ;D
Sorry for my insistence
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Hi...
any response? solution? Anyone have an idea?
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i am having the same issue also....
i may try a multisite... creat a subdomain..
mysite is in turkish forexample www.ayakkabi.com
i want to add an english content www.ayakkabi.com/mykeyword
i didnt try it yet...
but thats i am thinking at the moment..
i hope this helps.
pls let us know the last situation..
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No, it is not in our plans to create multilingual seo titles as it is better this way. Just 2 ideas:
- Search engines dont need it.
- If you do it you will end up with duplicated content (different urls for the same article) which is very bad for SEO.
this is not a duplicate, especially for bots. A duplicate only for the owner, others see a completely different text and keywords, the only thing that could be more common this image.
now all contetnt on almost 1 link, it's more like a duplicate
http://exampl.com/en/services/hosting/hosting-x1.html
http://exampl.com/service/hosting/hosting-x1.html
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I think that Elxis 4 need a system to choose if the user want a SEO Title - Link Multinlingual system or not. I'm sure that Elxis 4 are loosing users for this issue. In my opinion, it's necessary to put both ways, and let the user select what they want to activate. I only use Elxis 4 for non-multilingual sites. I respect the datahell opinion, but not convice me at all, and I'm strongly in the opposite, due my own experience and results. If anyone want a SEO Title - Link Multilingual there're others CMS system that can do it.
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unfortunately,
i used blogspot for turkey.bodrumwindsurf.com
i love nautilus, but i also would go with old elxis for multilingual websites.
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You are wrong. The URLs are not so important, you must only be careful not to be double, and they are not as the language prefix is there to distinguish them nicely. It is also easy for the user to switch language and stay on the same page. We have investigate such things 2 years before. The Elxis 4.x URLs system is just perfect. The URIs system for Elxis 4.x is one of the best things I have think and developed in my life. I am proud for the way it solves a very difficult problem. If you think you can think of a better system write down all the issues you have to solve and propose me a better system. I am sure you will not be aware of many things. You have a very limited knowledge on the subject. This is why you say continuously wrong things.
For multilingual sites google recommends 3 solutions:
1. Separate TLD based sites (this means multiple sites, so it doesn't fit our requirements)
or
2. Sub-domain separated sites/URLs (this means multiple sites, or the need of multiple virtual hosts on the web server, so it doesn't fit our requirements)
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3. Sub-directory separated URLs (this is what Elxis does)
Elxis 4.x URLs allows you to have geotargeting on google and many other cool ways.
Read this:
http://www.searchenginejournal.com/multilingual-seo/19903/
this:
http://www.seoinc.com/seo-blog/multilingual-google-search-engine-optimization/
and many other articles on the net saying the same thing. Elxis URLs follow the recommendations.
More over Elxis 4.1 comes with hreflang alternate URLs. Meaning that you say to google that you have copies of the page you currently view in other languages too.
Conclusion
URLs are not so important for search engines any more (they were before 10 years), they are mostly human friendly. Search engines dont even need the URLs to be easily readable. They just have to be different for each language, what the difference will be has no importance. Elxis has the recommended structure and URLs for multilingual sites.
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hello..
You and Elxis team have done a great job.. Thank you..
I admire....
I had different contents for different languages...
That was also one of my reasons to use blogspot ..
and forexample i want to move this website http://puretourism.co.uk/ to elxis..
How will i keep the same links... I dont wanna use .htaaccess (rewrite engine)
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Put 301 redirects (moved permanetely) in your htaccess and google will be just fine.
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Everything have been analyzed a lot till the final release, guys.
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Hi Datahell,
First of all, I want to say that you have been doing a very, very good job with Elxis 4. Personally I think that it’s very impressive. Fast, secure and easy going control panel.
Ok. About Elxis SEO Title - Link Multilingual issue:
Let me show an example. If you click the following link, searching on google “marketing newbie step by step guide” http://bit.ly/XZXU1H you can look in the first position. This phrase it’s show in the title, but also in the URL in bold. This means that the content of this URL has been also indexed by Google in English language in this case. In my experience, the URL sum a little to improve the position in search results.
So, in case that the URLs are not so important for search engines:
1 – If doesn’t matter, and URLs are not important, you can put Elxis 4 SEO Title – Link in Multilingual mode and you and everybody will be happy.
2 – You say that now the URLs are mostly human friendly and readable. Well, let me show an example:
If I have a site for my customers in 3 languages (countries): English, Spanish and Greek. English language it’s by default. In Spain no many people speak English. For these people, these URLs in English are no human friendly neither easily readable, because don’t understand absolutely nothing. The same for the Grecian people.
So, what I want to say is that if you put URLs human friendly and readable, you need to put this in all languages, or in the other side, in none, so, you can put numbers and illogical characters for the visitor because it’s not so important. No need readable URLs at all.
3 – When I send URLs to my customers in these different countries, I like to send links directly to the specific pages in his own languages. These URLs are readable for them. I put these middle-long URLs in the emails, pdf’s, classic papers and dossiers.
There many others reason, but basically, this is enough.
hreflang it's a good idea.
Datahell I only disagree with SEO title - link multilingual (perhaps also need to upgrade the CKEditor). The rest are perfect for me. I like a lot Elxis 4.
Congrats!
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A human friendly link can be this: example.com/tititi/
"tititi" is nice to remember and to type, it doesn't have to mean something.
Most people put wrong SEO titles, or just use the automatic generated one. They even put wrong titles.
Let's say you have an article in Greek with title: "Αυτό το καλοκαίρι επιλέξτε για τις διακοπές σας την Ρώμη" (Select Rome for your vacations this summer)
Which are the important words in this title? καλοκαίρι (summer), διακοπές (vacations), Ρώμη (Rome).
A long seo title could be: "rome-summer-vacations"
A shorter one: "rome-vacations"
Take a look on the word we mostly focus on: Rome. This is an international name.
That SEO title is good for any language. It would be better if it was "romi-diakopes" for the Greek language and "Rome-vacations" for the English but it is not so important.
Alternate links with hreflang is our final reply to those having thoughts about the Elxis URLs naming on multilingual sites.
Take a look on the attached screenshot which shows this implementation on the upcoming Elxis 4.1 (CSS/JS minifier resulted URLs are also shown).
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Datahell,
I bet that you're smiling under your nose. :) You know that try to find international words it's a very restrictive way and almost impossible in some categories or sectors (some business, hobbies, industries and so on...).
And, in your example: You say that a long seo title could be: "rome-summer-vacations" or "rome vacations", doesn't matter, these are examples like I told before that here in Spain too many people don't understand nothing in English. This is not human friendly neither readable for them. The same if I put Spanish by default > problem for english people and so on...
Also remember, SEO means Search Engine Optimization, google robots also index the URL and display them in bold in the search result pages for the searched words, as I show you in the example before “marketing newbie step by step guide” http://bit.ly/XZXU1H
I agree with you that the URL no need to be too long, perhaps from 1 to 4 words.
Wow, Elxis 4.1 version seems to have very interesting new features. I want to congrats you for the hreflang work and the CSS/JS minifier. Very good job!
Thanks
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Hi,
I guess that people are very interested in this subject/topic.
Looking number of views I can see that is ranked at top 5 position :)
Here you're an screenshot ordered by Views.
Thanks
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A human friendly link can be this: example.com/tititi/
"tititi" is nice to remember and to type, it doesn't have to mean something.
Most people put wrong SEO titles, or just use the automatic generated one. They even put wrong titles.
Let's say you have an article in Greek with title: "Αυτό το καλοκαίρι επιλέξτε για τις διακοπές σας την Ρώμη" (Select Rome for your vacations this summer)
Which are the important words in this title? καλοκαίρι (summer), διακοπές (vacations), Ρώμη (Rome).
A long seo title could be: "rome-summer-vacations"
A shorter one: "rome-vacations"
Take a look on the word we mostly focus on: Rome. This is an international name.
That SEO title is good for any language. It would be better if it was "romi-diakopes" for the Greek language and "Rome-vacations" for the English but it is not so important.
Alternate links with hreflang is our final reply to those having thoughts about the Elxis URLs naming on multilingual sites.
Take a look on the attached screenshot which shows this implementation on the upcoming Elxis 4.1 (CSS/JS minifier resulted URLs are also shown).
Hey, it seems that alternate-hreflang don't work in some cases (Language selector link), for example with the configuration in the screenshot attached (hreflang.png).
Pherhaps, in Language selector link we can do:
<a rel="alternate" hreflang="en" href="http://www.yourdomain.com/en/" title="en">english</a>
<a rel="alternate" hreflang="es" href="http://www.yourdomain.com/en/" title="es">spanish</a>
and so on...
Another issue, the screenshot coded one, posted by you in a previous post, neither see it in Elxis 4.1. (elxis_alternate_langlinks.jpg)
By the way, I don't see any "canonical" code, for exemple, I'm not sure if the following is correct:
If hreflang has been implemented in the URLs, then the rel = "canonical" should point to the same page.
See here: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/rel-confused-answers-to-your-rel-canonical-questions
So, for example, the pages www.domain.com/products and www.domain.es/uk/products go to the United States and England, but have the same content, so they should be marking implement rel = "alternate" hreflang.
On page directed to English and United States would define the rel = "canonical" along with rel = "alternate" hreflang as follows:
<link rel=”alternate” hreflang=”en-US” href=”http://www.domain.com/products” />
<link rel=”alternate” hreflang=”en-UK” href=”http://www.domain.com/uk/products” />
<link rel=”canonical” href=”http://www.domain.com/products” />
On page directed to English and England would define the rel = "canonical" along with rel = "alternate" hreflang as follows:
<link rel=”alternate” hreflang=”en-UK” href=”http://www.domain.com/uk/products” />
<link rel=”alternate” hreflang=”en-US” href=”http://www.domain.com/products” />
<link rel=”canonical” href=”http://www.domain.com/uk/products” />
At first sight, it seems that Google in the FAQs on internationalization advised not to use the rel = "canonical".
If in the above example we have the same title in the version for U.S. and England did not need to use the rel = "canonical", only in the event that the titles are different and we want to display the correct title on the results of search.
Oficial google internationalisation: https://sites.google.com/site/webmasterhelpforum/en/faq-internationalisation
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Please avoid writing the same message twice.
Can you please mention us in which cases the hreflang attribute don't work?
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Please avoid writing the same message twice.
Can you please mention us in which cases the hreflang attribute don't work?
I just updated the post before. Thanks
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So, you say to add both alternate and canonical for the main language? Like that:
<link rel="alternate" hreflang="it" href="http://www.example.com/it/test/" />
<link rel="alternate" hreflang="el" href="http://www.example.com/el/test/" />
<link rel="alternate" hreflang="en" href="http://www.example.com/test/" />
<link rel="canonical" href="http://www.example.com/test/" />
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So, you say to add both alternate and canonical for the main language? Like that:
<link rel="alternate" hreflang="it" href="http://www.example.com/it/test/" />
<link rel="alternate" hreflang="el" href="http://www.example.com/el/test/" />
<link rel="alternate" hreflang="en" href="http://www.example.com/test/" />
<link rel="canonical" href="http://www.example.com/test/" />
Yes. A canonical page is the preferred version of a set of pages with highly similar content. But, if you want, you can investigate this. I think that works correctly.
The alternate-hreflang also need to be present for possible future xml sitemap implementation in the Elxis 4
The other issue, need to add the hreflang in the Language selector link in the example that I told before.
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Hi,
why hreflang-alternate are not activated for all menu links?
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It doesn't have to do with the menu links. It is an Elxis Document feature and available for ALL pages (except some very special cases). Which is the page you don't see the hreflang links?
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It doesn't have to do with the menu links. It is an Elxis Document feature and available for ALL pages (except some very special cases). Which is the page you don't see the hreflang links?
Hi datahell,
Now, I don't see the hreflang in any page. Can you explain exactly how this works? At first sight, it seems that only display hreflang in an especific module mod_language setting, and that's all (In my settings -screenshot attached before-, hreflang doesn't work).
Info: searching "hreflang" with grepwin, display two files with 1 matches each; document.class.php (line 333) and mod_language.php (line 117).
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Anyone know something about? thanks
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Please provide a URL if you need more assistance.
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Please provide a URL if you need more assistance.
Hi datahell,
due my website is under construction, I will send you a pvt message later.
Anyway, I just found the problem this morning. You need to know that, if in Settings>General>Locale>Site languages untick all the checkboxes and leaving the config by default, the alternate-hreflang doesn't work.
thanks
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Elxis is smarter than you think and does this on purpose.
On sites where all languages are enabled the content is not translated into all of these. Most probably not translated to any language at all but available only for the default language. So you have the Elxis interface only translated and content in the default language. If you have 30 languages available what is the point of having 30 alternate links for each page if the content is the same? On the other hand if the administrator has enabled only 2 or 3 of the available languages it is amlost sure that he is going to create a really multilingual site and alternate hreflang links are enabled automatically in this case.
Conclusion: Alternate hreflang links are enabled if you have picked at least 2 languages in Elxis configuration.
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datahell, thanks for your response.
Perhaps, this can be solved by using canonical (duplicate content - internationalisation). Scrolling up you can see a little bit about this.
thanks