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Support => General => Topic started by: jimmyz on June 23, 2009, 16:12:58
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Search engines may think www.sitename.com and sitename.com are two different sites. You should set up a permanent redirect (technically called a "301 redirect") between these sites. Once you do that, you will get full search engine credit for your work on these sites.
Also, it shortens the URL. The 'www' is deprecated (the original purpose of the www subomain no longer exists) and shouldn't really be continued to be used.
RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{http_host} www\.sitename\.com [nc]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://sitename.com/$1 [r=301,l]
(source: bluehostforum.com/showthread.php?t=10442)
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???
So why you enter http://google.com it sends you to www.google.com ?
I think you should make it reverse , http:// -> http://www.
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Just a few clicks arround the net (www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/14/examplecom-vs-wwwexamplecom-trouble/), and you'll see that these are two schools about this matter. I didn't really graduated none of them; I took the one mentioned above, it seems healthier to me, but I have to say, I didn't spend a lot of time investigating. If you argue with this, be my guest, enlight me, please. :)
Anyway, you think redirection is a good thing?
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Can you give me a famous site name that use this rule for itself?
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Search engines may think www.sitename.com and sitename.com are two different sites. You should set up a permanent redirect (technically called a "301 redirect") between these sites. Once you do that, you will get full search engine credit for your work on these sites.
google it's self has solved that ages ago.
if you have an acount at google-webmaster-tools (https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/) you will be able to set how google will display your urls .... with or without www.
so it regognizes pretty well your site...doesn't it?
other engines? .... who cares?
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www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/06/14/examplecom-vs-wwwexamplecom-trouble/
lets see...
This entry was posted on Tuesday, June 14th, 2005 at 5:47 pm,
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I think when search engines come to your site, they see www.yoursite.com as your main page of your site ...
Even you don't set in Google webmasters
see this :
http://www.google.com/#q=inurl%3A.com&hl=en&start=10&sa=N&fp=JJ2lHziMUzc
if you redirect your www.site.com to http://site.com , Then search engines go to that forwarded site to index the pages ...
So why we need to change www.oursite.com to http://oursite.com when search engines think your main page as www.oursite.com ?
Look go.com in the result of that page I mentioned ... in the result page it is shown as go.com , Not www.go.com , Because it forward itself to http://go.com ...
There is no different for search engines , As they index your all pages finally ... But why we need to forward our URL to http:// when they think www. as our main page ? :)
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google it's self has solved that ages ago.
Didn't know that, ks-net.
other engines? .... who cares?
So, you guys think redirecting is totaly pointless?
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that was a problem before a long time... thats true!
but now-days engines won't have any problem...
no need for a redirect!
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I agree with ks-net , No need for redirect , But I prefer to redirect the http:// to http://www. ;D Not the reverse
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Note for Elxis users :
When you are going to install the elxis , if you use http://yoursite.com in installation steps , Elxis will get your main url as http://yoursite.com not http://www.yoursite.com
So if any one come to your site , Your links (menu items) will be http://yoursite.com/blabla ...
I personaly don't like that , So when I want to install Elxis , I use www.mysite.com in my URL ... Also when I want to administrate the site (http://www.mysite.com/administrator)
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I came through this, after visiting http://www.grader.com/.
grader.com itself, redirects.
My point wasn't which one should we prefer, but to redirect or not to redirect, as a SEO optimization?
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I think it is better to redirect it ... But no different between http:// and http://www. for search engines ...
But I prefer http://www. because I think they go to our site and they think http://www.oursite.com as our main site
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Reason for my last post (I think it is better to redirect it):
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=site%3Awww.parsmizban.com&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&fp=JJ2lHziMUzc
site:www.parsmizban.com
Results 1 - 10 of about 271 from www.parsmizban.com. (0.18 seconds)
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=site%3Aparsmizban.com&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&fp=JJ2lHziMUzc
site:parsmizban.com
Results 1 - 10 of about 309 from parsmizban.com. (0.10 seconds)
They are different for search engines , So we should make both URLs as 1 URL (So it is better that we redirect http:// to http://www.)
Also we know www as our root of our site (known as : wwwroot )
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What about when we have multiple parked domains at the main site ? What method is the best for seo ? Is need to use redirect ?
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What about when we have multiple parked domains at the main site ? What method is the best for seo ? Is need to use redirect ?
spoiling seo google also looks SUBNETS
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I personal park all the same names with different extensions at the most important extension and i dont use redirection is this bad ? What you recommend ?
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If you are using an Elxis site , Your parked domains will not work as parked domains (as conception) , They work as a redirect domain name to the main domain
Because menu items are set as main domain (main domain is set in configuration.php file) , for example http://elxis.org will not affect on menu items (They are still www.elxis.org not http://elxis.org)
And if we park the example.com on elxis.org , Then our menu items will not example.com , They are still elxis.org
I personally use another way to use park domains for an Elxis site
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I have see this at elxis2008 and up.
I parked all the extra domains and i dont know if it is the right thing ? What you suggested me ?
Thank you :)
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If you are using an Elxis site , Your parked domains will not work as parked domains (as conception) , They work as a redirect domain name to the main domain
No different between both , If you redirect or not , Both ways are working as a redirect ...
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for elxis Farhad Sakhaei is absolutely right... do not use parked domains on elxis
google is known that watches subnets and subdomains... somehow(finds relations) compare sites and content ... here there are many arguments(none knows exactly) on what or how deep google digs and how connects sites under same subnets....
sure is the incoming links .... they don't count.. from one site to an other.
same exactly content they say that is investigated, but how reacts on sites and domains(?)and many other....
my conclusion... avoid parked domains!
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We use parked domains , When we want to show contents as two or more domains contents
For example we want to show Google that we have 2 different sites using two different domains
But both contents of sites are exactly same ... We want to grow both sites independently ... We want to have 2 different sites in the future ...
So both sites have different absolutely links ,
Example :
in first site: www.firstsite.com/about.html
in second site : www.secondsite.com/about.html
These are different for google and google will index both pages in itself
Note : you can't use this way by parking a domain on an Elxis site normally (Because for setting domain name in configuration.php)
But in another case , We have 1 site and we want to grow this single site in the future ...
We decide to register another site name extensions , like .org .net , ...
For example: mysite.com (We also register mysite.org , mysite.net to avoid others to use our name for themselves)
So in this case it is better to redirect these extensions to the main domain
Because we want to have a grown website in the future , So google will get more attention from this single site ...
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Example :
in first site: www.firstsite.com/about.html
in second site : www.secondsite.com/about.html
These are different for google and google will index both pages in itself
of cource... but if we do so ... we just made a competitor(if not something more) in search engine results...
how good is that for seo? i think not very good... especially for page-rank.. i think that if you going to get page-rank 2(for this content) for one site then if more you will share it among other sites and get 1+1
as page rank is relative to results... aren't we ? (2 sites with same-conent same subnet)
This case i had in mind when i said to avoid parked domains....
many of my customers thinking that having 5 domains to same site will make more results. ::)
But in another case , We have 1 site and we want to grow this single site in the future ...
We decide to register another site name extensions , like .org .net , ...
For example: mysite.com (We also register mysite.org , mysite.net to avoid others to use our name for themselves)
So in this case it is better to redirect these extensions to the main domain
Because we want to have a grown website in the future , So google will get more attention from this single site
this is sure what we all do in that case... but there are other parameters also to take care..(this is a note)
domain extension / country / content language / domain oldness & domain registration-period / link inbound and other, that will make google to deside which domain will be listed at the top and where the others (if not hide them)
it is almost impossible to see listed one below the other your same-content site.org /site.com/ site.gr
in search results. google takes care of it.
Ps. Always we are talking about same content. same-net domains
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Normally http://.... is different than http://www....
Let's see how a URL is constructed:
http://subdomain.domain.tld/path?query_string
The www acts like a sub-domain. There is a dispute here whether we should use the www prefix or not. Personally I use it everywhere as it is much more wide spread and is being used in most web sites, and people add it when they write a url. In a previous elxis version tinymce worked better with the www prefix, some other scripts might also think that www should be added. So, it is better to use the www prefix I think.
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I have see this at elxis2008 and up.
I parked all the extra domains and i dont know if it is the right thing ? What you suggested me ?
Thank you :)
Parked Domains and SEO: Beware
A client had been using their parked domain as their primary URL. For all intents, this presented no problems. However, after months of difficulty getting traction in Google SERPs, it became very apparent that it was creating problems. The reason: duplicate content.
...for sites that want to park multiple domains, one of two things should be done.
http://www.grabers.com/library/kbase/archives/2007/03/parked_domains.php
And DO NOT forget that Google is always trying to improve it’s search algorithm.
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what about....(liverpool....e sorry) if you have same contents in a different domain and also in different hosting ? is there some problem?
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read this: Google Webmaster Guideline for Duplicate Content
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66359