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Community => Elxis 2008.x Olympus (dev) => Topic started by: canton on July 25, 2007, 09:25:49

Title: are you going to...
Post by: canton on July 25, 2007, 09:25:49
I understand that you are going to implement a Community Builder type Tab system within the Core of Elxis 2008.

If this is true will EDIR iModules and Modules be able to be plugged into the tabbing system as well as third party components?  :)
Title: Re: are you going to...
Post by: datahell on July 25, 2007, 09:36:18
Elxis users profile is not like community builder although it also has tabs. It has been implemented in core level. 14 new standard user fields have been added to elxis 2008 version. Anything can retrieve info from the users profile data if you write the required code. EDir just needs a module to display that info. Elxis 2008 has alreafdy a new module that displays random users and can also be used as is in EDir. Many things have been changed to users.

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Title: Re: are you going to...
Post by: canton on July 25, 2007, 15:06:07
so let me see if i got this right...In EDIR you have a module called "My Agenta" will it be possible for this module to be inserted within the profile tab system?
Title: Re: are you going to...
Post by: datahell on July 25, 2007, 17:02:01
No, you can not add tabs, modules or other information in Elxis profile outside component user. You can only add (unlimited) extra user fields. Favorites (My agenda) is a standalone module not EDir's. At this time user's profile is almost complete is has even signature. What else you want to add? We think it is enough for an open source CMS and it is also enough for the 99,9% of the sites. In a future version we will only add a personal messaging system.
Title: Re: are you going to...
Post by: canton on July 26, 2007, 10:03:19
You are right that what you have done has already gone beyond what a standard CMS is supposed be. But you have based your CMS on joomla ( making a far superior product - in my opinion ) which automatically will make "Elxis and Joomla" Comparable by many People.

Now even though you have made a far more secure, robust and scalable product than joomla in every way. You just don't have the flexibility for website developers due to your lack of plug-ins that the joomla community have come to rely on.

If you are ok growing this community very slowly than that's all cool. But if you want to convert the huge user base of joomla and the developers reasonable quickly then I'm afraid you might have to go the extra mile to be able to convert them. Such as the community builder component ( at least 50.000+ joomla members are using this Component alone ).

I myself want to convert most of my clients websites to Elxis as well as my own. But our websites rely heavily on these main components.

As ive already said your product is a far superior product, you've got my vote and support that for sure and the "EDIR" component is no less that a stroke of genius. But without these main components used heavily in joomla or comparable versions for Elxis than you might struggle.

I have already been in talks with some developers to develop some components/modules etc for Elxis, so hopefully soon we will get some 3rd party plug ins on board soon. And if i can make more time i might start putting some things together to help out. but in the mean time will you think about what i have just said.

 ;D
Title: Re: are you going to...
Post by: Ivan TrebjeŇ°anin on July 26, 2007, 11:37:25
Hi canton,

I just had to answer your post, wich is very constructive in every way, but I've noticed tree facts you should consider:

1. Elxis is NOT based on joomla, but (same as joomla) on MamboOS.
2. Do you think that joomla developers write all extensions for joomla?
3. Do you think that CMS should adopt to some third party component written for some other CMS, or vice versa?

I do what I can to convert webmasters and marketing agencies to use Elxis instead of joomla, and find this task very interesting... I keep telling everybody that 3rd party developers WILL have to count with Elxis as of version 2008 for sure. Just be patient a little more, please. Developers will write for Elxis, especially now, with joomla's new licencing policy... So, keep cool dear friend, and we will witness a new age of CMS. ;)
Title: Re: are you going to...
Post by: datahell on July 26, 2007, 13:29:20
Please don't bother Elxis with Joomla. We respect Mambo and we dont hide that Elxis has been based on mambo 4.5.2.3 but nothing more. Elxis keeps its own way and the new version has many serious changes/additions. You must ask these questions to third party developers not to us. We dont care on taking Joomla's users. You have nt understand that things are quite different here in Elxis.

Elxis for 7 months was a private CMS (since november 2006) and even if it did nt have any community it was still a strong professional tool and many users had build their sites with it. Elxis 2006.0 created on May 2006. Elxis 2008 will be released in September/October. We are sure that the Elxis's user base will grow fast after this release but this is not our main goal.

I totally agree with Ivan.
Title: Re: are you going to...
Post by: canton on July 27, 2007, 09:29:06
Hi Ivan,

to reply to you points

1. I stand corrected thank you. I did mean to refer to Mambo. A bad  habit im afrad  :(

2. No i don't think all develops write all extensions for joomla but made reference to this at the time due to the lack of support of developer in the Elexis community which im sure will change in the very near future.

3.Both.

Some times componants come along that shows that a natual intergration should of taken place within a CMS core. Such as the SEF - ARTIO JoomSEF ( Search Engine Friendly ) componants for joomla. Which i understand will be in the Elixs 2008 Core.

And vica versa!! . Say for instants that a CMS had the SEF in its core but some improvments where needed. Then a developer may come alone and extend its functionality to cater for thoughs needs.


Your right Ivan, now that there are problems within joomla due to it licencing policy thing will change rapidly in favor of Exlis ( even though Elixis will succesed anyway due to it strategy, ethos and amazing product lines ) .

And my friend i think you are right  ;)...we will witness a new age in CMS..especially within Opensource.

HI datahell,

I didnt mean to offend you by comparing Joomla with Elxis and stand corrected that elxis is based on mambo 4.5.2.3 .  :(

You have said to me that you dont care on taking joomla users. With this being the case then i applaud you for what you have done with this project. As i believe personally that the way things are going is the correct way. And again think that "EDir" is a work of genius.  ;D

regards

canton
Title: Re: are you going to...
Post by: datahell on July 27, 2007, 12:14:52
Thanks for your kind words.

Elxis SEO pro is indeed embedded into Elxis core but it is not based on ARTIO SEF or any other existing SEF solution. It is a brand new SEO mechanism specially designed for Elxis CMS. It is triggered to ON by setting the mosConfig_sef variable to "2". It changes so much URLs (and not only) that you think you have to do with a plain html site. It is also for the most of the links fast as light speed because (in most) cases it does nt have to calculate the sef url, it has it ready.

Why Elxis SEO pro is so fast
The function sefRelToAbs in a mambo/joomla/Elxis(prior to 2008) site converts a standard non-sef URL to a SEF enabled one.

usage:
sefRelToAbs('link');

Example input:
sefRelToAbs('index.php?option=com_weblinks&task=view&catid=3&Itemid=15');
Example output:
http://mysite.com/component/option,com_weblinks/task,view/catid,3/Itemid,15/

In Elxis 2008 this function has a second (optional) input which is the seolink. If this link is already known (in most cases it is) it does nt have to calculate the output and it returns immediately the seolink input as output:

usage:
sefRelToAbs('link', 'seolink');
Example input:
sefRelToAbs('index.php?option=com_weblinks&task=view&catid=3&Itemid=15', 'links/elxis/');
Example output:
http://mysite.com/links/elxis/

We have totally vanished Itemid's and other garbages from the urls. When you request a seolink a generation mechanism creates needed variables internally. Page navigation is achieved in this format: ?page=1, ?page=2 etc...

When you have mosConfig_sef = 1 you have the standard old sef urls and you can use a third party component if you wish in that case.

We will, most probably, also implement a third party framework for front-end that will totally change the way you make templates and css. It will make this job very-very easy. More about this in the future.
Title: Re: are you going to...
Post by: canton on July 31, 2007, 00:51:12
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We will, most probably, also implement a third party framework for front-end that will totally change the way you make templates and css. It will make this job very-very easy. More about this in the future.

Does this mean that the current templates will need updating to be compatible with 2008, or will templates be backward compatible?
Title: Re: are you going to...
Post by: datahell on July 31, 2007, 01:07:18
If there are any changes they will be only in the CSS. So, you will only have to edit a little your old css file inorder to appear correctly under Elxis 2008. In everything we do we try to keep backwards compatibility.
Title: Re: are you going to...
Post by: eliasan on July 31, 2007, 01:08:44
Hi Canton,

If we incorporate the CSS framework in Elxis core then after update, current Elxis users will have a "problem", as existing templates will not render as expected.

My opinion is that we shouldn't do that.

We have to offer an alternative (and advanced) way to design templates while keeping the backward compatibility to those that need the old way or they do not want to change.

We are currently testing all options. Be sure that we will select the best one.
Title: Re: are you going to...
Post by: mmarch on July 31, 2007, 15:28:51

If we incorporate the CSS framework in Elxis core then after update, current Elxis users will have a "problem", as existing templates will not render as expected.

My opinion is that we shouldn't do that.

We have to offer an alternative (and advanced) way to design templates while keeping the backward compatibility to those that need the old way or they do not want to change.

We are currently testing all options. Be sure that we will select the best one.


OOOO, Thenk's :D  i am litle scared  :o but we will see